Any active places for charting disscusion?

[ElectricZap9]

I'm gonna ask another question, but this time about chart editors, what's the mere cause for the audio in DDReam to be influenced by external sources (such as Equalizers, etc) while Arrowvortex's audio remains the same regardless of the external sources are enabled or not?
Also, I can notice to hear 24th triplets in Puzzle now, maybe it's either because DDReam does a little something with the audio compared to Arrowvortex or I just listen to the song too much.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by ElectricZap9

Oh yeah, I just realised wagabond vayward is in here and wv was his acronym, smh my head.

Yeah, I'm never gonna be a budget wv, wasting my time rehashing what others have already theorized in the past.

Bruh

Originally Posted by ElectricZap9

I'm gonna ask another question, but this time about chart editors, what's the mere cause for the audio in DDReam to be influenced by external sources (such as Equalizers, etc) while Arrowvortex's audio remains the same regardless of the external sources are enabled or not?
Also, I can notice to hear 24th triplets in Puzzle now, maybe it's either because DDReam does a little something with the audio compared to Arrowvortex or I just listen to the song too much.

I never noticed this tbh

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Bruh

He thinks there's a shred of originality left in charting.

[ElectricZap9]

Originally Posted by XelNya

He thinks there's a shred of originality left in charting.

WV or me? I just wanna chart something.

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by XelNya

He thinks there's a shred of originality left in charting.

I still contend that anyone who thinks there's no room for originality just doesn't have enough imagination, even for 4k.

I don't fault anyone for thinking this, but I completely disagree.

[mi40]

gameing

[ElectricZap9]

People: Handstream
Cosmovibe: Triadstream

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by stargroup100

I still contend that anyone who thinks there's no room for originality just doesn't have enough imagination, even for 4k.

I don't fault anyone for thinking this, but I completely disagree.

I'd love very much to be wrong. I actually want to be wrong here very badly.

I don't think I am though, but I'm so out of the loop with literally every community of chart makers, mostly because I'm insufferable tbh completely my own fault, that I'd leave it open that likely something like that would miss my radar entirely regardless.

[choof]

Originally Posted by XelNya

He thinks there's a shred of originality left in charting.

ignoring the fact that you are generally considered merely an alright charter (at best) by many in the community, you made a chart for freedom dive

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by ElectricZap9

So initially, some people shared the same rough idea of what they think makes up a good chart and in unison, created the judge batch.

And this is what makes the confusion where should a figure or organisation's critique on one's work, they're word is final and the only important one, and must be taken for granted, and anyone's opinion or critique but the figure/organisation's critique is prioritized less and is not taken to consideration.

But of course, that's nonsense and sounds more like a black and white fictional system made by a naive child than the more diverse and possibly intimidating reality.

Just responding to this and haven't really read anything else in thread for the most part but wanted to comment on this specifically.

If we reject your chart from FFR, it doesn't mean your chart is bad, just that it isn't a good Fit For FFR.

FFR Judges also aren't the ruling authority on stepcharting, nor is any single person or group. We aren't perfect.

I highly encourage anyone that gets a file rejected from FFR to either submit with fixes, or submit it elsewhere, like a Pack, or to Osu, or do literally anything to it other than have it gain dust and deleted in a desktop cleanup 5 years from now.

If no one else likes your files, release them yourself. That's quite literally how I began stepcharting.

[choof]

well if you're going to send a chart that you made for ffr to a pack or osu please try to color it up by using holds

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I'd love very much to be wrong. I actually want to be wrong here very badly.

I don't think I am though, but I'm so out of the loop with literally every community of chart makers, mostly because I'm insufferable tbh completely my own fault, that I'd leave it open that likely something like that would miss my radar entirely regardless.

Part of the reason I made my charting guide was to try and capture the old-guard style, which tended to focus much more on musicality and creative depth, which I felt like was still vastly underexplored.

The meta today, the kinds of levels people like to play nowadays isn't very conducive to that style. People want to focus on scoring, and while not impossible to make dense, difficult patterns musical, it is significantly harder.

For many years now, I've been trying to push these kinds of games to being more accessible, and that has largely been rejected by the community, maybe not even necessarily in attitude, but at least out of discomfort or logistical reasons.

If you want to be convinced otherwise, my personal recommendation would be to play the ODI packs, Dark Chancellors, etc. (which I think there's a high likelihood you already have, but I don't know you personally), and put those level designs into context with the concepts in my guide (most notably "Groove", "Harmonization", "Counterpoint", and "Connotation") to notice that it is vastly underexplored in comparison to modern levels.

[Wayward Vagabond]

I ride the same wave stargroup does when it comes to stepping tbh

[ElectricZap9]

So a chunk of the charting meta got more superficial in charting theory?

[ElectricZap9]

I'm currently in a music taste crisis where I don't know what to listen to, and even worse, don't know what to chart, and even when I pick a song, when I attempt to do a good effort into charting the first part of the song, I immediately get dwarfed when trying to chart the next part, and I'm generally unmotivated to do it since I have school work and my noisy apartment that always distracts me from doing anything productive.
Maybe I should try brainstorming, organizing and experimenting?

Also, trying to apply charting concepts (most notably, Orginization, Themes and Motifs, Structure and Form, Flow and Texture) from Stargroup's guide just overwhelms me right now.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by ElectricZap9

I'm currently in a music taste crisis where I don't know what to listen to, and even worse, don't know what to chart, and even when I pick a song, when I attempt to do a good effort into charting the first part of the song, I immediately get dwarfed when trying to chart the next part, and I'm generally unmotivated to do it since I have school work and my noisy apartment that always distracts me from doing anything productive.
Maybe I should try brainstorming, organizing and experimenting?

This happens to everyone. Bench the WIP/put it on the backburner, and move to the next song. If you never feel like re-visiting it or completing it, then that song just wasn't for you. Hard for some people to accept that, but sometimes songs just don't strike a chord with a stepartist anymore after x amount of playthroughs.

Originally Posted by ElectricZap9

Also, trying to apply charting concepts (most notably, Orginization, Themes and Motifs, Structure and Form, Flow and Texture) from Stargroup's guide just overwhelms me right now.

Just step what you like to step. Understanding concepts can come with reading, but can also come with practice. If you spend forever attempting to make it align perfectly with what everyone else wants/expects of a file, you will likely burn yourself out and run into the issue of 'getting dwarfed when trying to chart' the further you go into the file.

[trumaestro]

Legit, every stepartist has a WIP folder with potentially hundreds of unfinished files. My folder for "known un-finishables" is currently at 115 files after however many years.

Some organization has helped me in this. I basically have 5 pretty self-explanatory folders.


AAA is where every file starts. Every so often it takes a bit of being honest with myself about whether there is something playable to be made in a reasonable amount of time/effort. If no, I just move it to AAD.

It doesn't necessarily mean that you won't ever finish the file. I've had a couple of finished files like Vega come out of there after sitting for years. But it helps keep me focused on the files that are more likely to succeed or I'm more likely to finish.

I'd also advocate for trying to make a really short file to give yourself a bit of a sense of completion and momentum. Like find a 30 second song and step that.

[Wayward Vagabond]

You're way more organized than I ever was lmao

[ElectricZap9]

If my taste was broader, then I could've charted Roble Rouser in the contest (the other tech songs suck too, except for Pipe Dream). Maybe if I told theropfather what my taste was, he would put me in a more suitable group next time. Also, I still have my Overmatch Acapella Remix file from last year but I'm not interested in it right now but I don't want to abandon it either.
Ps: Yes I did make an alt in the EO forums, just to join in another contest, but I think they know it's me already but doesn't want to ban me yet for reasons.