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Nescio quid faciam
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Edmonton, AB
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While its unfortunate not everyone got to participate as long as they had hoped, due to the precarious nature of elimination tournaments, the same thing could of happened if a single person who didn't participate did, or vice-versa. Or if a song was played on round X vs Y or switched between divisions. (I know there are some people who would of creamed me if they didn't get stopped by the Bmah Wall)
In the grand scheme of things it made a very small difference (an important one still). So forgive me for weighing the experience of a few users vs the entire tournament, as AJ stated previously YoshL was a big part of making everything run smoothly. Pressure does strange things to people (as seen with the various cries for help in the forums as of late) and where it can be helped I don't think people need to be PERMANENTLY punished/disciplined for something that happens in the heat of the moment. Deliberate and repeated on the other hand is an entirely different matter.The proposed punishment seems justifiable to me, so what are you guys really pushing for here? I can understand its frustrating but that is inherent to this type of tournament, the vast majority of people will not see round 6/7 "fair" or not. So what we get is a bunch of people crying sand bagger and putting down organizers and its just not a good environment for anyone. So I would advise for the sake of the community to keep threads like this positive and constructive. |
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D7 Elite Keymasher
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Ontario, Canada
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hi.
for my 1st tournament, i think it was done pretty well imo, though i don't have any prior experience. the only thing i'd have to complain about is file placement (shatterscape, i mean seriously wtf was that) |
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are you serious right now? your whole argument is basically "he did some stuff to help the community so he should get off easy"
are you trying to tell me if i'm the ceo of corporation xyz and i go murder somebody in front of dozens of witnesses that i can be let off easy because i'm important to said corporation? |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: North Carolina
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The way I see it is that YoshL broke one of the most important rules and should NOT get a mere slap on the wrist just because he did a lot for the community.
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Even if the staff have the right to bend the rules under certain circumstances, but what YoshL did is where the line should be drawn.
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and technically a couple others who still are around, even though they've broken rules. i.e. - Post child pornography or anything that could be construed as such; you know who - Commit any temporary offense repeatedly. i'm pretty sure there's one guy who's been banned an incredibly dumb amount of times for being very shitty in threads
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lol happy
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: DESTINY
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Lots of people who blatantly, unremorsefully cheated and were assholes about it are still around. I mean, just look at Rubix.
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oh, and velocity LOL
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: North Carolina
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that is, assuming that i want to do stuff that's harmful towards the community. If you really think that, then i can just leave lol
i really don't plan to do either, so idk (ssbmchamp's still around after doign stuff. again, velocity should be banned by your words for botting, but then there goes velo engine, etc. etc.etc.) |
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Except it was only a single person because he was removed in the middle of the round which he cheated (it was just one single file) and rCaliberGX got vRofl anyway. Given the cutoff and his score on his song, it's pretty easy to speculate that he wouldn't have made it past the round anyway (no offense, rCaliber -- you're more than welcome to prove me wrong as I am speculating, as said before).
You're also blowing the whole situation out of proportion by using murder -- it's a pretty bad excuse of an example and I can respond with an equally bad counterexample (Michael Vick, anyone?). I'm handling it in the way that I said above. I can easily mention a number of users that have gotten off much better than they should have. YoshL will be given a scorewipe and his eligibility for the 10th may be affected. If another staff member wants to go over my head, they can go right ahead and I will have nothing to do with it. If I'm still giving out a harsh punishment (a full scorewipe) and affecting eligibility for the next tournament, a harsher punishment than someone who alt-accounted/sandbagged the tournament (Monopsu, who was only removed from the tournament and that's it), then I see nothing wrong with it. This is a time where I will personally mention that I am extremely tired of bias towards certain users and their lack of being punished for their misbehavior -- if YoshL gets banned, then I'm going to put forth the effort to make sure that people committing/that have committed similar offenses get their punishment as well. If this thread is going to turn into a full on argument about how YoshL should be banned/blacklisted, I will lock it, plain and simple. I created this thread for discussion in regards to the tournament, the structure, and the concepts of it, not about the users within it. |
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Alright, let's fully carry out everything in the rules then -- we have a ton of users that have probably stacked bans for trolly behavior, terrible attitudes, cheating, alting, disregarding staff, etc. The rules are hardly carried out as listed in the site's overall rules, yet now everyone is throwing a hissy-fit. I like how not a single person has mentioned the fact that I allowed a number of players that were previously removed from tournaments for various reasons (including botting/cheating) to play as well. They've cheated in the past and were never banned, and they hardly gave an effort towards assisting in the site as well.
I want to keep YoshL here because he has a good attitude, he has brought events to the site (and has more), and has helped out immensely in the background with this. He's also a simfile judge too. This is ridiculous that everyone is deciding to pin him when he is still receiving relatively similar punishment in comparison to those who have alt-account/botted in the same tournament. Hardly any of the staff follows the sitewide rules, they generate their own (usually reasonable) standards, and I'm using mine here. Last edited by TC_Halogen; 12-21-2013 at 08:51 PM.. |
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: North Carolina
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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2. Hi, me here. I've done this. Still do from time to time. Edit: Alex in a sense he should. A lot of users had to write a letter to the staff to get their unbans and if Yoshl is actually sorry (he's not a scumbag so I imagine he is) he should be given the same treatment. I mean look at Mi40, that guy has been permad and banned almost if not way more than me. Guess what? He's cheated as well? Multiple times? Yeah that too. Guess what? He's still around. (This is entierly based on my own memory, so something here might not be 100% accurate. The point still stands that other users have committed murder and then just gone downhill again afterwards, give him a chance to redeem himself and should he fail perma his ass.) Last edited by XelNya; 12-21-2013 at 08:59 PM.. |
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: New York
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going back to the original topic, because seriously guys chill the fuck outttt
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ok, i'm fully done, if anyone wants to yell at me, come at me through pm rather than fucking with the thread
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Game Manager, Batch Search Engine Developer
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Massachusetts
Age: 26
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The discussion about users getting different ban lengths etc. is a different topic altogether from how the next official tournaments can be improved. If anything, the generalized wording of the rules causes a lot of problems for all those unsolved cases; the people who wrote the rules didn't see what other situations could happen. This thread is not the place for that discussion.
Something I'd like to suggest for future official tournaments is having more than one mastermind. TC_Halogen was the main guy who did a great job executing the official tournament despite what obstacles there may have been along the way, but considering time constraints what about the idea of a second host? That way it wouldn't be so overwhelming and there is another person to double-check if the rounds are correct, etc. it looks like the placement teams and such were carried out nicely.
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