Old 11-12-2010, 11:10 PM   #21
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AJ, I completely agree. That is the case unfortunately. It just seems that most ideas one side has the other HAS to oppose it instead of being reasonable true adults. But, i suppose that is the way the Government is.....
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Old 11-13-2010, 02:30 PM   #22
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"Case in point: the MBS/Sub-prime crisis, the recession with a long-term sustained impact, and the looming economic problems on the horizon."

I'll pretend that I know what MBS stands for and that you're referring to more economic problems. Controlling the economy to not have recessions isn't exactly easy, and truthfully, I have no idea how much power goverment has over banking policies and interest rates which ultimately control inflation and recession. Besides which, this recession isn't all that bad, likely due to government intervention, which seems like it would have happened in much the same way no matter who was in power.
Recessions happen, its a fact of economies, I hardly believe this to be some sort of crisis.

I didn't say that people were right to not vote, and I didn't say I support not voting. I vote, I think more people should put effort and research into voting appropriately, and I think there's always going to be plenty of reasons to want to choose your government, even among choices which all seem so similar anyways. I'm just saying that I don't see voter apathy as a big problem, and that I totally understand it. If you want government to help see problems and fix them before they happen (like climate change), you really need to have a leader who's really charismatic, who themselves want to build new programs, and who can really pass on that enthusiam for change. Either that or have things be in a terrible state beforehand. Or better yet, have both of those things happen...like for Hitler. He wanted change, the timing was right and he was charismatic, and he somehow convinced millions of people to change their ethical views.
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Old 11-13-2010, 04:22 PM   #23
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I'll pretend that I know what MBS stands for and that you're referring to more economic problems. Controlling the economy to not have recessions isn't exactly easy, and truthfully, I have no idea how much power goverment has over banking policies and interest rates which ultimately control inflation and recession. Besides which, this recession isn't all that bad, likely due to government intervention, which seems like it would have happened in much the same way no matter who was in power.

Recessions happen, its a fact of economies, I hardly believe this to be some sort of crisis.
This recession is the worst recession in a century and it's going to get worse. Your disagreement is basically my point. There exist alternative ways of doing things that don't produce such profound boom-and-bust cycles.
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:34 AM   #24
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It's far too soon to say whether this is worse than the Great Depression, since that lasted for much longer than our current depression so far. However, on some levels this is definitely not worse than that, like when considering the unemployment rate. In the US it's around 10%. During the Great Depression (which began in 1929, which is still a few years short of 100 years), the unemployment rate rose to around 20%. This is actually much worse than the current 10% rate (although its possible it will go up more, but seeing as we're working so hard towards this not happening, I'm fairly confident things won't get much worse), especially considering that most women weren't included in their unemployment rate as they were housewives not included in the labour force, and so that actually meant 20% of households had basically 0 income.
Programs like welfare, which apparently were adopted by the US after the Great Depression, and unemployment insurance exist now, so that even if someone is unemployed, they can still be active consumers, which will lessen the blow of a depression, as well as the individual impact on people who need that money.
It's also not hard to see that there's not been as great an impact on everyday lives. I've not heard of shantytowns being made from people moving around trying to follow the scent of a job.
On other notes, firstly, we don't vote globally. Although the US economy does effect the rest of the world's economy, the US is clearly not the only country responsible for the current economic times. Secondly, government is not in control over our buying and spending, nor is it even in control of banks. It only intervenes when things go awry and then apparently takes the blame for them. If you want it to have more control over such things, then you better go quite a bit farther left, which isn't going to happen because the US is like the most right-wing country in existence right now, even with Obama.
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:30 AM   #25
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As for the Republican candidate for the election of 2012--- no offense to those who like Sarah Palin--- but if Palin gets elected as President in 2012. I am moving out of the country.
Agreed, lol


So any republicans here?
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:17 PM   #26
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this is "critical thinking" and a specific topic (that of obama and his popularity w/ young votres) is derailed into "SO IS ANY1 HERE A REPBULICAN"

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