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Old 01-11-2009, 10:04 PM   #21
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Default Re: How truly random is randomness?

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Originally Posted by ballaw hare View Post
There is no chance because (whatever it is) it's laws already define how it will be if in x situation. Not being able to predict just means not knowing. I can't predict what number a die will roll on (excluding guessing), but if you had all the factors of the die being rolled (air speed, roll speed, gravity, ect.) then you could predict what it would land on, and where it would land. It's not chance it's just failure of working out it's governing laws.

The lottery isn't random and isn't chance because the winning ticket will always be the winning ticket/number, it's just when a person finds out it's the winning ticket/number. Chance, in this case, is just ignorance of the true value.

Oh, and I'm surprised wave functions haven't come into the discussion yet.
Its true, 'odds' are only based on the idea that everyone is on an equal level of whatever understanding the situation calls for. For example, supposing no one knows any variables and does not go through the mathematical processes of determining what side the coin WILL land on then the chances are 50% for one person. However, for someone who knew the correct power output of the thumb when it struck the coin weighing an x-value in x-location on the coin an x-direction with an x-trajectory and striking an x-hard surface going x-speed when the coin hits x-location on the coin as well as the surface while being on a current x-side of the coin proceeding to spin and strike the surface again x-times; the person could effectively have their odds of predicting what side will be face up at 100%
Chance is, what has been said, an ignorance or lack of calculation assuming all are on an equal level. Thus EVERYTHING could be predicted at 100% accuracy when knowing all the data as well as the calculations with the data. Is it realistic? No. Does the ability to make your odds higher than someone elses (even in the slightest degree) remain? Absolutely.
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