Old 09-23-2008, 08:00 PM   #41
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Don't be a racist. Racism is a crime, and crime is only for black people.

lol OK, OK

On a serious note though, like one other user mentioned, racism has existed far before Darwin's theory was every created. IMO though it could have initially developed by making people feel relatively superior. "X is the best race, and since that person over there is Y, doesn't X feel very special about now?" That's just one possibility though. There are numerous things it could be attributed to.

Unfortunately though, racism will always exist in society.
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Old 11-5-2008, 11:58 PM   #42
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It's not just Muslims that are reliving outdated customs.
If you're going to insult Islam then you better insult all religion, else you're a hypocrite.
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You can't really objectively discuss whether you think someone else's faith is true or not because that's just not how faith works.
Disregard the polemics of right and wrong entirely, because for whatever reason you believe religion is right or wrong, it doesn't remedy the impact that the current disposition of religion has on society. And I believe I say this for quite a number of people. We can all care less about if you believe your religion is in whatever glorified state that it is, but your belief doesn't justify the tangible effects your religion radiates on reality. Reality? Yes reality, and not the whimsical suspension of disbelief which religionists downplay themselves which then grants them the glorifying status of "attaining salvation".

Don't blame me for rekindling this fire once again after reading some outrageous news stories. Polygamy and Islamic religious law assimilating into constitution? I think it is enough to exempt me from any definition you'd bother to label me as, and rational enough in the most minimalistic amount to at least value human rights and constitutional value in today's society.

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is your compilation of the holiness of the Koran.
And no, I will not accept a potential argument of "well, its another way of saying 'Believe in Allah only'" because the verses constitutes quite well the hatred and intolerance for any other religion that coexists with Islam. If you don't see the key difference of "Believe in Allah" and "Believe in Allah and eradicate all else.", then you are either 12 years old, or drowning in your own tolerance.

Faith, regardless of right and wrong, establishes a notation that is above the characteristics of all else faith offers, that is suspension of disbelief. You are guilty of the same thing whether you are a God-loving pacifist or an Islamic terrorist, guilty of your irrational aspirations to evaluate reveries over reality. If we apply faith into a personal relationship with whatever deity you happen to slobber all over, thats your personal entity. When it falls out of the rings of individualistic circles, what we need is for one radical ignoramus to advocate something blatantly unreasonable which then starts triggering a wildfire of stereotype associated to all members of that religion. Precisely what I am basing my standard argument on, a stereotype. But I do wish this case was all that superficial as an unjustified, baseless, terrorist (Thanks, tha Guardian) and meaningless argument that contains unproven evidence.

Maybe Polygamy and the exploitation of income isn't good enough. How about being convicted by Islamic religious laws in everyday life? Or maybe you'd like to read some supportive comments of religionists who gladly support the death of atheists? Tolerant, aren't they?

Oh and for the sake of repetition, I think I need to inject some clarity into this post. I will not bother with an argument of "you're stereotyping all religion is crazy" because stereotyping is out of the question. We have much bigger problems at hand than your foolish obfuscating tolerance.

Apparently, being audacious is being intolerant of the tolerant.

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Old 11-6-2008, 09:31 PM   #43
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Racism is a form of opinion. Opinion is what humans have due to us having a mind that has more capacity than other living beings. Get rid of our opinion, get rid of our mind. Get rid of our mind, and we aren't human.
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It is an opinion based on provably incorrect premises. Thus the conclusion leading from those provably incorrect premises is also incorrect.

Sure you can hold incorrect opinions like "the world is flat" or "the moon is made of cheese" or "gravity doesn't work if I don't want it to" but that doesn't mean anybody should ever be forced to grant such opinions any sortof status.
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The provably incorrect premises are the biological ones, and I doubt many of the racists in the United States still think that there's a biological supremacy of whites.

Like it or not, there is indeed "black culture" and likewise people who hate it. Doing so is but a tiny step from hating the race in general, so small a step that few people notice it and are thus (not inaccurately) labelled racists.

Whether or not black culture is good or bad is certainly not "provably incorrect", and is indeed an individual's opinion.

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Doing so is but a tiny step from hating the race in general, so small a step that few people notice it and are thus (not inaccurately) labelled racists.
I'd argue that culturalists and racists aren't necessarily the same thing though, as there are plenty of "non-black" people who are engaged in black culture, and plenty of black people who are not engaged in black culture (Or at least not the black culture you're talking about) and the racists tend to still be racist towards the black people who aren't into "that" black culture, and be not or at least less racist (With terms like ****** lover) to non-blacks who are engaged in that culture.

But the only possible basis for a justifiable claim of superiority between races is biological. And since there are no valid biological bases for that claim, I'd suggest that there are therefore no justifiable claims of superiority between races at all.
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