Old 04-28-2008, 12:27 AM   #21
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As for the changes to the education system, the best and easiest way to change it would be to make highschool and perhaps even elementary school function like university. Each subject stream has its own prerequisites inside the subject stream (IE. 2nd year math requies 1st year math, but doesn't require first year english/history etc) there are multiple ways to meet graduation requirements (Math majors don't need to take any history, though they do have to take -some- social sciences or arts courses) and you can register for anywhere from 1-6 courses per semester.

If highschool functioned like that, you could take only the subjects you preferred, working towards a certain goal, and if you wanted to only take 1 or 2 classes and also have a part time job, or you wanted to overload to 6 classes to get highschool done sooner, you should be able to. You get the benefit of being able to offer things like certificates in certain fields, which could be used to either get entry-level jobs more easily or become new entry requirements for college and trade-school level schooling. (IE. You could get into a college computer hardware program with your highschool certificate in technology [Maybe you had to take computers all through, some science/physics, a couple years of math, and whichever ___shop classes your school offered)

Obviously there would still be emphasis on getting the "full" highschool program, especially if you intended to go on to University, but giving alternate avenues to still get educated, especially for certain types of jobs where the background in say, history and geography is largely irellevant, that option exists also.
I'm guessing that's a yes. But we're dealing with the DepEd here. Do you suppose such a program could ever be implemented in the near future? Especially when I'm moving to NY next year, wherein the odds of experiencing such an unstable program are probably just as slim, should they implement it here in the Philippines? I pretty damn hope so.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:52 PM   #22
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You are never "granted the right" to be an independant thinker. That's a contradiction in terms. You think independantly as soon as you assert your independant thoughts. Parents can attempt to indoctrinate their children with a certain belief set, in fact this happens all the time. Whether it's as simple as the particular moral code for right and wrong that you are taught, or something as deep and important as cultural or religious identity, parents, educators etc can and do try to teach children a certain predesigned value set and thought process system.
I strongly agree with Devonin's point made here, and I will go on to expand on my own opinion. It is an extremely valid point to say that you cannot be granted the right to think for yourself, however, a child's mind opening to independant thought must be granted by some source. We are born intelligent beings, but not born with such a mindset in full. I personally can say that I have let myself open up to such a thought process, though I am young in age. Personally, my English teacher showed this to me, along with my parents, and many other sources. Amidst all the conformity of a parent's teaching, they themselves think independantly to a large degree, which is a child's first encounter with such. As they grow older, and more logical, they start to see the way that there parent's minds have strewn away from main-stream society, and take it to heart, point being, the foundation is always there. Once they begin to build on it from other sources, whether it be community, media, or other such breeding grounds of diversity of thought, it becomes their own interpritation of independant though. They see the way that others think, and start to make their own table of what is wrong or right, what is true, and what is false. While you take to this mindset at your own pace, independantly, you are subliminally taught this throughout your life. In a nutshell, you are born with the foundation to think for yourself. But it is up to you to unlock it.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:34 AM   #23
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Well the issues sort of go hand in hand. If you're going to argue that kids younger than 16/18 ought to be considered old enough, intelligent enough, and mature enough to have a greater freedom to decide things for themselves, it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that voting ought to be one of the ways that freedom expresses itself.
i have my first rough thinking in 21 years old, it still change everyday and awareness of selves is rising drop by drop. It is said it continue and reach it puberty in 40 years old.

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You are never "granted the right" to be an independant thinker. That's a contradiction in terms. You think independantly as soon as you assert your independant thoughts. Parents can attempt to indoctrinate their children with a certain belief set, in fact this happens all the time. Whether it's as simple as the particular moral code for right and wrong that you are taught, or something as deep and important as cultural or religious identity, parents, educators etc can and do try to teach children a certain predesigned value set and thought process system.
not all parent are like that.

they know there are children follow their parents way, but also other children who make their own way.

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I understand that a child needs substantial knowledge to begin to think independently, but answering their question with one's absolute perspective will not produce results and does not promote independence.
Thus, in my opinion, both the "Because thats the way it is" and "because see, this is how you do things(in my perspective)" are not in any way valid to be told to a child, unless universal concepts and factual answers, not one's perception of a topic.
parents give right the free will to their children to shape whatever they choose. but parents also must make give warnings to teir children if they make wrtong paths
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