Old 04-14-2008, 11:38 PM   #1
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Im gonna consolidate my text later im on my ipod right now and it types sloooooow.


Ok so what if you could remedy to almost every single illness and sickness without any substances such as drugs or vaccins (not sure if you can say that in english)?

My mother has always taught me this way. I never ever take any pills and I never get sick.

Her theory is that when you live an emotionnal traumatism ( such as the death of someone close to you ), your brain interprets it like it's being attacked. The chock could be so strong that it would in theory kill you ( your brain would kill you as a defence system, weird huh? ). Now surviving being the main point of life, instead of killing you your brains isolates this chock somewhere in your body to protect you ( works the same way trees isolate attacks from outsiders by forming some kind of huge bubble on its trunk ). Now those "illnesses" ( let's say it's cancer ) can eventually kill you, but your brain will have succeeded to its task, allowimg your body to survive for as long as possible.

The place your brain will place the illness will depend on what is the source of your emotion. For instance, wonder why prostate cancer only appear on older men? That's because they're worried about their grand-child. You make the link now? Prostate, genitals, kids, descendance...

Now to cure any of your illness ( from my point of view ) you have to look in the past and remember what happened.

One case I know of is when you "catch a cold" it's very very often because you had a conflict with someone in the past couple days.

If you want my opinion they can't find remedy for cancer because they're not looking at the good place.

Thanks for reading, please give me your opinion.


PS If you're gonna lock this thred for any reason please tell me why and I'll edit my post.

I forgot to say, this is not placæbo effect. Lots of skeptical people tried it and they cured themselves.


EDIT: Here is a very interesting site about psychogenealogy ( I just learned it was named like that ) where you might find some answers if you have questions about it, but don'T hesitate to ask them to me.
http://psychogenealogy.weebly.com/index.html
( I found a very interesting and very detailed page on Wikipedia but it's written in french. )

It might have looked like my mother was just an amateur or something the way I presented things. But this is a real science. The concept was developped in the 1070s by Anne Ancelin Schützenberger. You can study in psychogenealogy, there's a diplom for that.

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The emergence of psychogenealogy as a therapeutic frame has its roots in the work of a French university lecturer, Anne Ancelin-Schutzenberger, who published a pioneering book in 1993 called "Aie, mes aieux". By carefully exploring family trees and working with the people who brought them to her, Ancelin began to uncover patterns of repetition occurring across generations within families that had a bearing on the lives and destinies of the people who consulted her.

I know I didn't add a lot but this is at least enough to let you make your own researches and to show that it is a real science. Please accept this post as my first CT thread.

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Old 04-14-2008, 11:57 PM   #2
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Because there is no physical proof behind it, it most likely isn't an idea to be scientifically embraced. However, I support the idea. It somewhat falls under the category of karma.

But what would happen with mental ailments? For example, I have severe ADHD and insomnia. But because I fight with my parents all the time does that mean it's the reason I'm always tired? So if I stop arguing with my parents would I sleep better?
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I'm going to lock your thread for flying completely in the face of all existing science and logic. If you can edit your post in a way that doesn't do that, by all means.
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Now those "illnesses" ( let's say it's cancer ) can eventually kill you, but your brain will have succeeded to its task, allowimg your body to survive for as long as possible.
This is the part I don't get. I think you're saying that if I get a really bad disease, something horrific like cancer, then it means I've lived a life of considerable tension and stress?

There isn't any scientific proof to back what you're saying, but I suppose another example could be that older people get alzhiemers, a truly horrific condition with no cure, could be caused because that person lived a not so content lifestlye when they were younger.
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Now that's something I'd like to see some data for before I say anything else.
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No more posting please. Jokee asked for a chance to re-write the post before it was locked, so I'm leaving the thread open to give him that chance.

Jokee: In order for your thread to stay open, you need to provide proper and valid evidence in support of your claims. Link to a study, show us some numbers, anything. But "My mother said that" isn't valid unless she's a neurosurgeon.
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This is the part I don't get. I think you're saying that if I get a really bad disease, something horrific like cancer, then it means I've lived a life of considerable tension and stress?

There isn't any scientific proof to back what you're saying, but I suppose another example could be that older people get alzhiemers, a truly horrific condition with no cure, could be caused because that person lived a not so content lifestlye when they were younger.

I meant that if your cancer kills you in the end, it's because your brain will have had placed it there, instead of killing you right when the shock happened.


And yes, there are scientific proofs.

And alzheimer (according to psychogenealogy) is a huge problem with love. I think it's when someone wants and old partner to come back or something like that. Of course this doesn't happen to most people but it might be like in a couple of old people, who lived together for decades, when someone dies he feels incredibly alone. He remembers the past and that makes him suffer. To take off that pain, his brain starts forgetting, everything. Alzheimer is not cureable after the person is to sick to remember what brought him to this illness.


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Because there is no physical proof behind it, it most likely isn't an idea to be scientifically embraced. However, I support the idea. It somewhat falls under the category of karma.

But what would happen with mental ailments? For example, I have severe ADHD and insomnia. But because I fight with my parents all the time does that mean it's the reason I'm always tired? So if I stop arguing with my parents would I sleep better?
It might be because of your parents or it might be anything else. Try going back to where your insomnia started and see what happened around that time. It might also have happened in your parents' life and they transmitted to you. For instance if it started around 6th june and nothing special happened to you around that time, ask your parents if something happened to them anywhen in their life around that date. What you have to remember, is the brain still lives in a primitive world, in cavemen time. While you're in your mother's belly, her body transmits info to you about the external world. If let's say your mother saw someone get killed around he 6th of June, her brain might have registered it as a potential threath to her life and while she was pregnant, it instructed your brain to be careful around the 6th of june. And then you got trouble sleeping because your brain is staying awake to watch for any potential danger. You brain doesn't know you're in your bed, in a controled environnment. It might also be because you don't drink enough water...
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All I got out of this brief check of this really bad arguement is the following

-All sicknesses are traced back to some horrible event and such or conflict etc.
-All sickness is mental
-Alzheimer's is caused by longing or willing to forget to the point that you want to forget that you want to forget.

Or something along the lines of that.

What about viral diseases? Does bacteria not exist? Hmmmmmm?
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All I got out of this brief check of this really bad arguement is the following

-All sicknesses are traced back to some horrible event and such or conflict etc.
-All sickness is mental
-Alzheimer's is caused by longing or willing to forget to the point that you want to forget that you want to forget.

Or something along the lines of that.

What about viral diseases? Does bacteria not exist? Hmmmmmm?
Hence why I said "because there's no physical evidence behind it, it most likey wouln't be scientifically embraced."
Though I do rather support the idea in general.
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All I got out of this brief check of this really bad arguement is the following

-All sicknesses are traced back to some horrible event and such or conflict etc.
-All sickness is mental
-Alzheimer's is caused by longing or willing to forget to the point that you want to forget that you want to forget.

Or something along the lines of that.

What about viral diseases? Does bacteria not exist? Hmmmmmm?
Viral diseases are caused by a group who all feels the same thing such as war
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This sounds like a load of ****. A real science? Yea right. This sounds about as scientific as homeopathy. I've never even heard of it, and it doesn't appear to be a field on its own, but a tiny subfield being practiced by a few people.

Let's take two of your examples:

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One case I know of is when you "catch a cold" it's very very often because you had a conflict with someone in the past couple days.
Here's an alternative, scientific explanation: Coryza is caused by a viral infection you pick up from the environment, usually a picornavirus.

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You can get prostate cancer at almost any age. That aside, how on earth does your brain place illness onto it's own body? This doesn't make an iota of sense; not only does it seem impossible given a properly functioning body but from an evolutionary perspective it makes less than no sense whatsoever that your brain would attack your own body knowingly.


If this is such a scientific field you might want to start sighting some scientific papers on it, because I certainly can't find any.
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I like how you say, "And yes, there are scientific proofs," then not provide any. Your little theories are cute, but they aren't true, and they don't belong in CT.
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I know I didn't add a lot but this is at least enough to let you make your own researches and to show that it is a real science. Please accept this post as my first CT thread.
The development of the germ theory of disease saw an incredible extension of lifespans, an increase in quality of life, and the eradication outright of some diseases and illnesses. Before that, things went exactly as you suggested: superstition about diseases being caused by stresses in the life, angry gods and imbalances of fluids in the body.

There is simply far too overwhelming a body of evidence to support the germ theory of disease that you have a huge burden of proof to try and live up to in order to argue that instead all illness is caused by internal mental processes that can be overcome through force of will. It's a burden of proof that through several edits you have unfortunately not come close to meeting.

I accept this as your first CT thread, and it's a noble effort and an interesting topic, and I do hope you continue posting here, but I can only suggest that you review the rules, and ensure that your arguments have more valid and provable support for them.
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