Old 04-9-2008, 11:36 PM   #1
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Default WWll: Raid of Dieppe. A Lesson or Massacre?

A great debate for historians, is that the Dieppe Raid was purely pointless and resulted in complete failure of an operation with extremely high casualties. Other historians argue that it was a lesson for the success of Operation Overlord, also known as D-Day. A brief summary for those who aren't familiar.


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The Dieppe Raid, also known as The Battle of Dieppe or Operation Jubilee, during the Second World War, was an Allied attack on the German-occupied port of Dieppe, Seine-Inférieure on the Northern coast of France on 19 August 1942. Over 6,000 infantrymen, predominantly Canadian, were supported by large British naval and Allied air force contingents. The objective was to seize and hold a major port for a short period, both to prove it was possible and to gather intelligence from prisoners and captured materials while assessing the German responses. The raid was also intended to use air power to draw the Luftwaffe into a large, planned encounter.

No major objectives of the raid were accomplished. 3,623 of the 6,086 men who made it ashore were either killed, wounded, or captured. The Allied air forces failed to lure the Luftwaffe into open battle, and lost 119 planes, while the Royal Navy suffered 555 casualties. The catastrophe at Dieppe later influenced Allied preparations for Operation Torch and Operation Overlord.
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After reading Official war documents and testimonies, it is my opinion to say that Dieppe was indeed an useless slaughter that accomplished nothing, not to even mention practice for D-Day. Here are some of my factual arguments.

-Assault on Red/White beaches came 20min late. By then, German forces were on full alert waiting for the British/Canadians.
-British Troops Retreated after penetrating German Defense Lines.
-More than 50% of solders were killed, wounded, or made Prisoners of War (POW)

There are many more arguments that I have, but I must reread articles once again to remember them. So what do you think?


This is my personal website that I've uploaded and complied all the official documents and reference onto. To answer, please cite your argument using the sources. (If you think reading the whole page is long, read the highlighted yellow and the image at the top of every source to get a better understanding.)

http://zythus.net/project/dieppe/dieppe.html

(The page may look distorted depending on your version of Internet Explorer and resolution. If you use Firefox and at 1024x768, then it is displayed the way it was meant to be.)

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Old 04-10-2008, 07:07 AM   #2
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Default Re: WWll: Raid of Dieppe. A Lesson or Genocide?

I'm sorry, Zythus, I do not believe I thus far have anything to contribute to this page. Perhaps if it was a more broad subject based on WWII...
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I just think it was a mission gone wrong. Wrong place, wrong time. Where does genocide come it. This actually hasn't interested me to the point to browse your website since I don't know what we are doing. Wheat are we arguing about or are we just agreeing with you?
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Old 04-10-2008, 02:35 PM   #4
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I've renamed the thread because Genocide is a very heavily loaded word with very specific meanings that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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I did find this a difficult topic to talk about. Mainly, because its very specific and that one won't understand it unless one reads most or all the details of it. I used genocide to impose that the massacre of soldiers was like so. A complete annihilation of British and Canadian troops really contradicts what textbooks and historical texts say, that it was a battle well fought and contributed to the succession of D-Day.

I was compelled to do an essay on this, making this thread is basically to perhaps find points of ambiguity that I did not consider. No worries, it was worth a try.
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:43 PM   #6
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Oh there's nothing wrong with the thread, and once I'm not so swamped with essays and finals, I want to give this a good look. As both a Canadian and a historian with a strong interest in the world wars, I've no desire to let this topic just die.
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