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The idea that connects God to determinism is the idea that God is all knowing in addition to being all powerful. (Of course omnipotence is logically impossible, and even if it were possible, is mutually exclusive to omniscience)
Thus, since God ostensibly knows exactly what you are going to do at every instant, and why, and cannot ever be wrong, you can argue that you do not possess free will, since from God's perspective at least, every possible choice has already been made and is set in stone, and nothing you could do could allow you to deviate from that path. |
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If I know that infallibly, with 100% certainty right this minute, and absolutely nothing anyone or any thing does or tries to do can possibly modify this outcome, how is that kind of certainty compatible with free will? You'll have the -impression- of making free choices as you go, but it will be an illusion because the outcome of every "free" choice you're going to make is already known to me. |
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“Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.” Christopher Hitchens |
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You counterclaimed yourself when you argued that the future is being written as we partake in our daily routines and undertakings, and that God, being all-knowing, is aware of what choices we'll be making 3 days from today. The future is already written under your set of beliefs. If God knows what will happen in the future there shouldn't be any 'writing' going on at all, thus the free will you claim to have is merely an illusion created by your perspectives, just like devonin stated.
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Omnipotence is inherantly impossible, since your choice of paradoxical questions are all perfectly able to demonstrate at least one thing such a being claiming omnipotence could not do. Whether it is making a rock so heavy they can't lift, or any such thing like that or even just "Can you do something paradoxical" or "Can you do something impossible" serve to make a claim on total and full omnipotence not work.
Granted, extremely powerful things can absolutely exist, and even things so powerful that you might as well call them omnipotent, the literal meaning of the word doesn't parse onto a concept that is usable. The trick of omniscience then, is that you have a complete and perfect knowledge of absolutely everything it is possible to know. This seems to me to be incompatible with omnipotence, because if there is nothing you are incapable of doing, then one of the things you can do is have something unpredictable occur, but since you know everything there is to know about everything, nothing is unpredictable for you, because you are already aware of it. |
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