Old 11-5-2007, 11:23 PM   #21
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Default Re: Rappers Doing The Job Of Racists?

The Carte Blanche for minorities to be overtly hostile to majorities while majorities are socially forbidden to be overtly hostile to minorities is far more pronounced in stand up comedy than it is in music. We have an innate tendency in today's ultra-politically-correct society to functionally refuse to ever criticize a minority for making inappropriate remarks about the majority, for fear of being seen to be racist/sexist/whicheverist.

I see the problem with rap/hip-hop music (insofar as there is a problem with rap/hip-hop music) as being centred around the encouraging of negative stereotypes about oneself, not the espousing of negative stereotypes about other races. Though I'm sure we can all see in cases where black culture music portrays negative gangsta-rap stereotypes about blacks, there is almost always an equally strong undertone of "Bad white "The Man"" lyrics.
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Old 11-6-2007, 12:27 PM   #22
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Find me a song where a black artist is directly attacking and putting down the white race, or where a country (white) singer is directly attacking and putting down the black race. I honestly can't think of anything off the top of my head where this criteria fits
No I dont have a title of a song,but I do hear a few "Rapper" attacking "Country" song every now and then (at a Bowling Center no less). As far as "country" song goes, I cant think of a song right now....

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Also, the true purpose of why kids/teens act so poorly and ill-behaved is because of the terrible parenting today. It has very little to do with mainstream influence. Even if a kid/teen was negatively influenced by such a thing, it should be the parents job to exclaim to them that what they are doing is wrong.
When a kid/teen doesnt have any relationship with his parents (which is the case for most of America right now it seems) then they have to turn to somewere else to find influence. This is were mainstrem anything comes in to play. This is also why I feel that most 14 and under year olds are idiots: they were most likely never told any better.

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The Carte Blanche for minorities to be overtly hostile to majorities while majorities are socially forbidden to be overtly hostile to minorities is far more pronounced in stand up comedy than it is in music
I compleatly agee, stand-up is far worse but I dont watch it at all and therefore couldnt really debate it.

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there is almost always an equally strong undertone of "Bad white "The Man"" lyrics.
Im not saying that whites arent doing a good job showing themselves in a less-then-bright light, but I dont think that they rival black artist.
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Old 11-7-2007, 11:03 PM   #23
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Do you think the rappers really care that much if their music is looked at as stupid, though? They're rich as hell. Honestly, if I were making pointless low quality rap tracks that made me a millionaire, I wouldn't care about the quality of my music at all and hardly care about the people listening to it, even though that might sound selfish. Money is money though, theres nothing dumb about making it if the scheme works.
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Old 11-8-2007, 10:49 AM   #24
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You claim that listeners and supporters of "gangster rap" are idiots, and use your assumption that intelligent people wouldn't want to support stereotyping of a race. I listen to "gangster rap" pretty often, and the music goes much deeper than just what an outsider might hear, pervasive explicit language. in order to fully appreciate the quality of such music you have to be recognize the poetic aspects of the lyricists. Take tupac for example. Though at first listen all you might hear is f**k and the "n" word, but after listening more intently the true poetic aspects of the rhymes and delivery come out. the subject matter is not neccessarily the most important part of the track. I agree, songs about money, cars and hoes are worse than a political song or motivational song, but these songs don't trap an entire race within their boundaries.

There are all different rappers, all different styles of rap, and all different song subjects. Sure many songs (usually the mainstream songs) are about the clubs, cars etc., but try listening to Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Immortal Technique, KRS1 and many others if you want to hear a different style of hip-hop. Their music is nothing like 50cent's etc., so to make a blanket statement like "rappers are rascist" would be completely ignorant.

It is any artist's perogitive to perpetuate stereotypes against their race or any others, music is art and the art is what the artist makes it.

KgZ - in a Dead Prez song "Hip-Hop", there is the line "And it don't stop till we get them crackers off our block" (http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Dea...p-rbg-Mix.html). Kind of insulting the white race but it was talking specifically to politicians so it doesn't really count.
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