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Old 10-18-2007, 01:31 PM   #1
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Default A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no god)

The original message of this bulletin read as follows:

There are so many people on this list. I guess a lot of people aren't ashamed to stand up for what they believe in. You opened this because it said "bad news" in it ......but if it said "Jesus Christ our Lord" would you have opened it? Jesus said, "If you deny me before your friends, then I will deny you before my father." It's your choice. If you aren't ashamed to do this, repost this as bad news in ( name of your town) and put your name on the bottom.


Followed by a list that was over 850 people.

However, I've been questioning anything at all to do with religion. Due to a class I've been taking my third semester in college, the entire concept of religion has been becoming more and more hazy. The Holy Bible, a book most people consider to be sacred, has been falling frightfully into the same magnitude that such books as The Odyssey, Ramayana, and other various mythological books I've been required to read. The idea of a god-like figure doing supernatural deeds and claiming that they are a decedent of any type of God has been coming up more and more often. I've been finding it harder and harder to believe that Jesus was a human form of a God, and the things he did follows surprisingly close to the same events in other mythological books.

It is clearly obvious that some of the things that Jesus did in the bible, as well as other people did that were clearly not humanly possible. Surviving forty days in a desert without any food or water, just as an example. Scientifically speaking, it is impossible to live longer than seven days, assuming the desert was only 90 F.* If it was even hotter, the expectation when down dramatically, taking less than two days to kill someone at 120 F.

The book, to me, has been following the same pattern of a larger-than-life character doing things that are impossible. The purpose of the book, to me, was only used to teach people ways of leading a life that was not self-fulfilled. In my lifetime, none of the events that happened in the bible have played no role, and it is become increasingly more and more unbelievable to think there is some form of an afterlife, the primary reason people tend to worship a best-selling book. On top of that, to add to my disbelief that the book is just a collection of well-written myths, is how the religion itself is not just one unity. According to Wikipedia, there are at least 23 different forms of Christianity**. If a religion was to be true, why would some go about and change the way the book was originally written, changing the concepts and how it is to be perceived. That alone is enough to show me that there is no correct way of worshiping the Christan god.

To me, the entire idea of there being an omnipresent higher power in our society has become void. It is not possible, even when I try to stretch my beliefs, that there is, indeed, an invisible man in the sky. The book was originally written as a collection tales to help people lead, what we as a society believe to be, a good life that is selfless, charitable, and grateful for what we already have. We make our own lives happen in any way we choose, and there is no outside force influencing us.

My belief, that is.

*http://www.survivaltopics.com/surviv...without-water/
**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:40 PM   #2
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Default Re: A myspace bulliten that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

I agree in most parts but I still believe in a higher power unrelated to any religion. It's simply not believable for me that the new testament are all the words coming straight from a god that has been written by prophets who claim they speak through his word...that just doesn't add up to me.
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Old 10-19-2007, 11:30 PM   #3
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Default Re: A myspace bulliten that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

I agree with some of this but alot of it is kind non conclusive
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Old 10-22-2007, 08:17 PM   #4
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Default Re: A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

Whether god is fictional or not, the main purpose of the bible is to enlighten people of all nations with a better and more constructive way of life. For those who choose to follow Christianity, or any religion for that matter find that it gives their lives meaning and guidance. Though his teachings may have never happened, the wisdom of Jesus Christ (fictional or not) impacts the lives of millions of people today.
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Old 10-22-2007, 10:05 PM   #5
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Default Re: A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

But the question then becomes, if the bible was written purely by humans for other humans to teach them a "better" way to live, from whence comes their authority to say that the way they came up with is any better than others?

Half the reason that many people define their moral code within the context of a religion is that by doing so, they can lend some authority to their decision to act a certain way.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:19 PM   #6
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Default Re: A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

Empirically speaking, God cannot technically be proven. It's not like one can simply look up into the sky and say, "OMG, it's God!" However, the Christian belief comes from a foundation of faith. I was brought up to believe that God exists and that all of the things in the Bible literally happened; I don't look at the Bible as a figurative work. Regarding the different denominations of the Christian faith, those were primarily man-made. It's not like God told the people to split up into sects or anything. These denominations were formed because of abuses or different interpretations of the Word. You can say that this may lead to inconsistencies, but I'm too lazy to debate right now. All I'll say is that it's my faith and I don't wish to seem like I'm flaming or anything. After all, this is a board in which everyone is entitled to give their own opinion.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:23 PM   #7
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Actually, it is a forum where everyone is entitled to give their own opinion with evidence to back up that opinion. "Its my faith and it can't be proven, but I believe it anyway" while certainly your opinion, and one you are entitled to have, is one that explicitly violates one of Jewpin's stated rules of CT.

I mean, I have the utmost respect for the faithful, its just that if you have no proof, and won't accept objections to your belief, then there's no room for critical analysis and debate.
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Default Re: A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

I disagree with you, snow (like we didnt see that coming). There have been a few events that have happened in my life that lead me to believe that God exist, I just am not sure of what "religion" I want to call myself (out of habit, I say that "Im a Christian" but I tend to disagree with most other people that call themselves by that name). I dont know, the entire deal of religion is that you have to have faith, therefore you cant prove it.

You either believe or not, and that is about as simple as these threads will ever get.

EDIT @ Dev: Well, no I dont have proof that I can give over a forum, but it's not as if someone said "This is Godly, this isnt" and I just went with it (other then being a 6 year old and doing what I was told, of course). The entire "gimmick" as I'll call ot for lack of a better word, is "faith".

Just with storms, I have been proved that a God exist. I shouldnt really be alive at all. Those events enforce that there is a God, but I cant simply prove it online.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:45 PM   #9
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Default Re: A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

Well, you're choosing to suppose that "There is a God" is the only reasonable explanation for things that many people don't think of as suitable evidence.

You don't actually have -any- proof, whether you can state it on a forum or not. You simply have anecdotal observations that you have chosen to attribute a divine origin to.
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Default Re: A myspace bulletin that I disagreed with and just had to share (attn: god vs. no

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus
If you deny me before your friends, then I will deny you before my father.
This is the sort of thing that drives me insane about organized religion. Jesus is basically saying, "Tell your friends about Christianity or you're not getting into heaven." What a nice veiled threat.

As far as I'm concerned, one should come to a conclusion about their supernatural beliefs on their own, and keep them to themselves. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to latch onto a pre-selected religion which is near-impossible to agree with 100% and treat it like a social group. Even when I considered myself a Christian just because my parents told me to, before I stopped being a coward and confronted myself about my true beliefs about death and God, I didn't go around hunting other Christians and going to church to pray and sing to God all day, and I definitely did not run around advertising it. To try and convert someone is saying, "Hi, I think my religion is so great that I want to override whatever conclusions you have come to concerning divinity, regardless of how strongly you feel about them, and put my personal ones in their place." It's practically an insult. Besides that, it's about as logical as trying to convince someone that does not like the taste of carrots that they do, in fact, like carrots. Why so many people feel the need to do this is beyond me.
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Old 10-23-2007, 01:20 AM   #11
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sorry guys... religious discussions on FFR tend to always turn badly. that's why they aren't allowed.
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