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This is not just "our world"; It is everyone's, both human and non-human alike. You said "alter the original course of nature", but I actually believe what we do does not alter an *original* course. The course is naturally occuring, so once again I believe the course is original "as is", even with the affects it has by human - environment interaction.
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Here's the thing though: While we can link many of our problems to our misguided notion that the laws of nature don't apply to us any longer, many elements of our current lives and society exist in a state outside those laws.
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As in going back to a nomadic lifestyle- The return of no distinction between rational thinking and impulse? Yeah, I agree that even the most simplest life styles lived by the Amish is still far from natures original homosapien.
Many humans believe that since we are the most intelligant, we can manipulate nature around our needs, however true this may be, we are made this intelligant by nature.
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Well, I'll argue that the moment we gained the ability to manipulate our environment to suit ourselves instead of adapting to suit our environment, natural human evolution ceased.
We've become so good at adapting the environment to suit any condition (We can make people born with extreme disability live relatively functional lives, we can keep people alive who have diseases and illnesses that should have killed them years earlier) that there cannot be any natural selection, because we've taken the selection out of the process. No species of animal would put remotely as much money time and effort as we do into keeping the sick, the old and the useless around and soaking up resources. From a species survival standpoint, we're making all kinds of horrible mistakes that are leading directly to the problems that we try to fix by, surprise surprise, manipulating the environment even more. |
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The only reason i said we can alter the original course of nature is because, as devonin said,
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Would this not be altering the course of nature? i don't believe nature would destroy itself in this way. Everything is normally balanced and self contained. Nature created us.. but now we are natural selection in one way or another... albeit many of these choices are questionable lol. Kaoz, thanks for the compliment by the way.
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I see no point in posting an opinion because this can never be changed, only debated and argued over some more.
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Sure would be, which was my point.
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3 months later and everyone is still responding to a bot
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He's also not a bot, just a jerk
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Lol, really? This should be closed by now. I think all our posts have proved our point clearly. Finally, Coberst made one good thread with out bickering and such.
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Considering that any actual useful discussion that comes from his threads generally has nothing to do with the actual topic of this threads, and certainly has nothing to do with any input from him, any credit he gets is purely incidental. I could copy/paste random text into the forum all the time and figure on some number of them resulting in useful discussion too.
Though Kilroy is right that people need to start threads more often. |
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Who said anything against tangible things? The "more philsophical bent" of the forum is a result of Coberst posting pseudo-intellectual bull****. I'm glad to move away from it, frankly.
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