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![]() Oh, and of course they get to see the world.. (i.e. vacations, AFTER "school", and they probably have sports programs that they're in). Sports is another way to interact with other people; thus, new friends. :P |
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My question to all the people who say that “homeschoolers lack in social skills” have you ever been home schooled?
I have been home schooled my whole life and I am the most social person you will meet. My mom has taught me up to grade 8, and then I in-a-way fired her and taught myself for the last 3 years. When my mom does not know something she would go to the teachers book teach herself, then explain it to me so that I could learn and understand it. Home schooling in my eyes is the best way to go, my school district is nicknamed heroine high and if I had gone there, I could say with out a doubt in my mind, I would be one messed up kid right now. For some people I agree being in public school is great for them, but others is a whole different story, being with and around parents all day everyday would get on anyone nerves but that does in fact help, I now have the skills to adequately converse with people my own age and people that are older than me. Even if I feel I could not home school my own kids properly, I’m not too sure I would enroll them in public or even private school, there is many other ways around me teaching my kids from schooling on the internet, to a program teaching them on Switched on Schoolhouse. I can't really tell you the difference from home schooling to public schooling because I have never been even in a classroom atmosphere before. Really depending on the kid and what age you start them at home schooling would depend if they would take to it or not. This is what I think... -*-Kmj-*- Last edited by kmj103a; 04-16-2007 at 05:22 PM.. |
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I, myself, believe that homeschooling can be done effectively, if the child is associated with sports, church, or another social activity. However, kids that are home schooled and are never exposed to people can grow up to be a problem.
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I did sports, and I did not like it, it was not the people, its was the win/loss ratio lol.
I was going to pitch in baseball (I can throw a ridiculous knuckleball, seriously, only I know where it is going) this year, but decided I hate baseball. |
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I have seen the 20/20 video before. I am not an american, if this means anything, so I cannot speak for the american school system. I speak for the system here in Canada, which to me is doing a good job. Can improve dramatically for sure, but I would much rather leave the population in the hands of it than in the hands of all the parents. This has nothing to do with individual experience. For certain people it is inevitable that the right choice is homeschooling, and there is nothing inherently wrong or inferior about homeschooling. It's just, the way you come across is that public education is quite useless, when I disagree completely.
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I actually don't know anything about the Canadian school system.
Anyways, I wouldn't say public education is useless. More like, any benefits of public education are somewhat accidental and certainly not direct results of good policy. |
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And insofar as the argument that you can teach with nothing but a BA and a Teaching certificate and this doesn't mean you know the subjects you're teaching: At least in canada, you get a BA and a B.Ed which is a seperate degree entirely. You can do concurrent education and get both in 5 years, or you generally go 4 for an undergrad and 2 for the B.Ed, but I would argue that this -still- puts you ahead of the average parent, because the B.Ed doesn't necessarily teach you your subject, it teaches you to teach, which is at least if not more valuable. |
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Well, it seems we're largely discussing two different systems, so I'm not sure how well my observations compare to the realities of the Canadian education system. Still:
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From my experience I would seriously consider labeling an education in teaching as an education in only the most broad and general bits of philosophy of epistemology. Last edited by Kilroy_x; 04-17-2007 at 02:39 PM.. |
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Even the most broad and shallow education in philosophy is better than no education in philosophy at all. If you lined up parents and teachers in order of competence to teach, I imagine that the large portion of overlap would probably start to happen around the bottom 40% of teachers and the top 25% of parents, give or take. (Note: I did in fact pull these numbers entirely out of personal observation of parents and teachers, and they have no statistical merit whatsoever)
A well-educated parent who knows the subject would, in my mind, be better than a good half of teachers, if simply on the grounds that they know their children and how their children learn -much- better than a teacher would. The reports of a great many home-schooled children on this forum lends credence to the fact. But along the same vein as the issues presented in that 20/20 special linked to earlier in the thread, about how teachers have such a locked-down union monopoly that even gross incompetence can take -years- to result in a teacher being fired, the biggest pitfall to homeschooling is that there is -absolutely- no oversight on parents to ensure they are doing a good job. You won't necessarily know the parent screwed up until the kid wants to go to college and completely bombs the SATs. At least in schools you theoretically have the benefit of testing throughout, though the efficacy of most school testing in north america is pretty dubious as well. |
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Your imagination, as you've already admitted, is not a sound basis for argument. Quote:
The point is though, outside of all this imaginative speculation of ours, that no one really knows what they're doing in terms of teaching, so there's really no incentive to dissallow home schooling. There is the slightest bit of incentive to dissallow public schooling, simply because it costs money, but it also has measurable, although likely somewhat randomly generated benefits, so the money is probably worth it. That doesn't mean there aren't ways to improve on the system, however. Quote:
Incidentally, some of the thickest people I've met have been Ivy-Leagers (not to say that most ivy-leagers that I've met have seemed unintelligent.) There a plenty of low-standard or open-admission colleges, they probably educate just as well even if they do have a lower population of people with an arbitrary number attached to their name, and studies have shown that, at least for undergraduate degrees, there is no real difference in income earned over a lifetime between someone with an undergraduate degree from a state college and someone with an undergrad degree from a private college. Basically, I don't understand what possible standing objection there could be against any form of diversity in education. |
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I'm not saying all parents would be worse educators than all teachers, that's nonsense, just that I'm leery in general of home-schooling because of the lack of needed qualifications, and the lack of any kind of testing system. |
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Conversely, I'm arguing that the "needed qualifications" of which you speak have as little guarentee of promoting sound education as untrained parents, that they mostly just add another level of complexity and that they do so without uniformity or clear purpose, and that the testing system is ultimately a hollow construction which guarentees in no way the quality of education.
If we look at it a different way, imposing tests is a form of imposing costs. Sometimes these costs subtract from the quality of education by making it neccessary to teach to the test rather than to the individual. On top of that, the tests often have very little to do with the ideal education a person would in theory receive from an education system. Beyond even that, however, funding is often based on test performance, which makes in some ways "teaching to the test" the primary goal of institutional education, and any actual education secondary and peripheral. The best test for the quality of an education is not an actual test, but what type of person the education produces. If a person is capable of being social, of having a conversation, of surviving in the world through the use of the skills and knowledge they have gained, of employing their own personal resources for any gain in a way they themselves judge to be beneficial to them, then their education, no matter what form, has served them splendidly. I don't think public education and I doubt whether institutional education does or even can provide this outcome for anywhere near enough people to justify branding it as a system which serves the public good in any supervalued or "official" sense. Last edited by Kilroy_x; 04-18-2007 at 06:35 PM.. |
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i was homeschooled for two years - 6th and 7th grade, only because i was totally messed up with depression and anxiety and not sleeping at all in a night. not to mention i had no friends. life sucked to put it mildly, so my parents pulled me out. maybe some people think that was a wimpy thing to do that i couldnt pull myself together, but now thinking on it i thank my parents for it. i could have totally had a major breakdown, pushed everything away and fallen out of everything, and my stupid issues could have worsened by much.
it all depends on what you think. im really okay with homeschooling, and not just because i was. sure kids may not get to see the world as it is, but if they are homeschooled, parents should try to get them into other social things like clubs an; blah blah, etc... point is, in mai opinion, its fine |
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I used to be homeschooled. I wasn't motivated enough though. So i had to go back to public.
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