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Old 06-11-2004, 01:56 PM   #41
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I don't believe in God, but at one point in my life I sincerely tried to. When talking about the Big Bang most people ask where the materials necessary for it came from. Well, where did God come from? People say he has always been around. If he has always been around, couldn't you also say that the materials needed for the big bang have always been around too?
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Old 06-11-2004, 02:43 PM   #42
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That was really thoughtful of you to ignore me saying "Okay, that's an exaggeration." And then calling me a hypocrite.
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Old 06-11-2004, 11:46 PM   #43
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GOOD GOD I WAS READING ALL THIS CRAP AND GOING INSANE WAITING TO PUT IN MY THOUGHT!


so here i go.


www.infidelguy.com


THERE YOU GO.


specifically, a download he had on his site a while back. a debate between a minister and an ex-minister on the existence of god. they used scientific facts, logic, and reasoning, and THE EX-MINISTER WTFWHOOPED UP ON THE MINISTER'S HOLY ASS! seriously, the minister was stuttering the whole god damned time not knowing what to say to LOGIC.

if anyone wants this file (it's kinda big) i can send through AIM or MSN.

AIM: xdarkxkusanagix
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i'm hardly ever on AIM anymore, though. gimme a PM to get on if need be.



so, in conclusion: logically, there's no god. illogically, stfu and do what you're told, and dont mind pastor richards over there with johnny. they're playing.


EDIT: OH AND BTW. for all you pro-religious guys 'n gals out there... what about the people who are blind and deaf, and possibly mute? ever see the movie "tommy"? if they can't understand god or anything else, how would they be "saved"? would they burn in hell because god made them disabled!? hm. interesting, eh? if they burned in hell because they couldnt learn about god because god made them that way... god would have to have made them burn in hell! that's not love.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:49 AM   #44
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NO MORE RELIGION THREADS... PLEASE.


They're just so messy and involves more arguing than resolving, you dont get anywere, and creativity is out the window. They're all the same, and we've seen them before.

See when someone makes a religion thread, EVERYONE has some kind of opinion on religion. So then everyone dives into this and says either "god doesn't exist" or "god does exist" and I am very positive you CAN'T prove it either way simply because of the stated "impossible nature" of god's existence.

Let's not waste time here ladies n gentlemen.


I realize some of you might simply tell me a "You don't like it, get out" kind of line. As there is always some idiot who tries to shoot down the one that's trying to help people.
Agreed.

I believe this EXACT same topic has come up hundreds of times, and one reason I didn't really feel like arguing it is because I've done so, with the same people that come here time and time again, to argue. It's just constantly going in circles.

@ Evil Butterfly: If you've got enough time to make a post as long as you did, you've got enough time to type coherently. "u" does NOT mean "you". When I see "u" written, I pronounce it "ooh" because when the letter is left alone, when you're reading, it's supposed to come out like that. I often, to this day, still thing "what the hell..? Oh, you. Right. Fucking preschoolers can't type. *sigh*"

Just a hint.
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Old 06-12-2004, 09:45 AM   #45
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Think you were a bit hard on butterfly. But thanks for the support.
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Old 06-12-2004, 11:47 AM   #46
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i agree with him on the "u / you" thing, but i still think people should debate these things. promotes thought. that's something the american people, especially, should have LOTS of. we're not forcing you to participate, just the people that wish to share their views, regardless of whether they've done it before.
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Old 06-12-2004, 02:52 PM   #47
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We're not all american, either...
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Old 06-12-2004, 02:56 PM   #48
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:07 PM   #49
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i didnt say we were all american =P


i said the americans here should promote thought specifically, because of certain things i think about the govt and certain things everyone seems to be ignoring. but yeah, that's a different topic.

everyone in general needs to think deeper and more often. listen to tool, too. and APC if you want a couple anti-govt songs. lol
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:09 PM   #50
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Translation:

"Americans have the stereotype of being fkn stupid. We should probably work on that."
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:18 PM   #51
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I don't beleive in God. I think Church is the biggest murderer who hasen't been punished.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:22 PM   #52
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yeah damn that RVB. lmao. =P

americans DO have a stereotype of being facking stupid. know why? because most of us are facking stupid. it's really true. our media doesnt tell us crap, except the crap they want us to know.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:41 PM   #53
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Its not only the media. I saw some TV show where they asked grown up americans if they knew where Canada was and half of them didn't even know it. And some kids just hate school so they are just dumb.
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Old 06-12-2004, 03:42 PM   #54
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Hey, I wasn't arguing that it was false. But at least our head of state could be someone that had a slight possibility of dispelling that stereotype.

Then again...

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Old 06-12-2004, 03:47 PM   #55
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this is true. our educational system sucks ass. most standardized tests are known to be biased and have trick/retarded questions in them, the history classes tell bullshit (fortunately i had a history teacher this year that went "okay... this is what they WANT me to say... and this is what really happened."), and our adults were raised in the seventies and eighties... seventies were drugs and protests, just waking up from the sixties, and the eighties were slacking and a very "well my parents used to say that they worked hard so i didnt have to... so i'm not gonna." kinda attitude. we've got shit for foundation, us children of america.

alot of shit needs to be changed.
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Old 06-12-2004, 04:44 PM   #56
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I agree with everything you just said...but that should probably go in another thread. :P
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Old 06-12-2004, 05:27 PM   #57
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I think i have a split peronality when it comes to god..like if im really scared foresay umm..Well i made a deal with my dad that if i got all B's and C's onmy report card i could have a car..and the quarter came winding down and i had a D+ in geometry and i prayed to god if he could give the knowlage to do good on my test to raise my grade. and what do you know it worked.but when i think about it, it was because of me studying so hard not god making me sparter..but to be honost i take his name in vein alot just because i really do feel there is no god...just a name to me im not so sure what i think im done now.
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Old 06-12-2004, 06:11 PM   #58
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Think you were a bit hard on butterfly. But thanks for the support.
My thought process isn't a pleasant place.

You'd all think I was the biggest douche bag in the world if I wrote it out more often.

I really am a nice guy, but I think very harsh. If that makes any sense.
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Old 06-12-2004, 07:01 PM   #59
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Is he real?? That is a very good question......I say Yes. Ok, it may be true that i have said things mean about god to win a bet or something dumb like that, but I do think that God did make humans and all that crap. Science sucks and nobody will learn anything. Answer=God
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This is so wrong I'm not even going to bother correcting you. Grow up.
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