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so why do people always say "oh but bush and the WAR in iraq is ruining everything(etc.)"
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Because by every reasonable standard it -is- a war, and one of my biggest criticisms of the Bush administration is that he doesn't have the guts to come right out and say it.
Operation Iraqi Freedom was a hostile, almost entirely unprovoked invasion of foreign forces to overthrow the government and replace it with one that would treat America more advantageously. By sheltering it under a veneer of lending succor to this beleagured population who was crying out for liberation, and would shower the americans with flowers and candy (They left out the key word: 'Exploding') all it does it make the US look like a big 'ol bully who doesn't even have enough respect for the rest of the world to come right out and say "Yes, we're overthrowing the government because we don't like it, that a problem?" |
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that doesn't seem right and i've never looked at it from that perspective before it seems like all bush is doing is trying to earn more power for the U.S. by Knocking everyone else down
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What happened to change it? Did they think we would fight this "war" with no casualties? |
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Like Vietnam, the current US Government is falling afoul of a credibility gap. Reports come back from the American Military saying one thing, and then reports come back from less biased news reporters saying the opposite. The goals they claimed to be trying to acheive turned out to be different from the ones they currently seem to be aiming for. Their staunchest allies in Operation Enduring Freedom became more and more hesitant when Operation Iraqi Freedom went underway, and more and more the international community feels tricked and misled by the United States. I think the moment when they lost support was when the reports were leaked that those highest up in the American government, in the wake of 9/11, -ordered- those looking into the causes of the 9/11 attacks to find a way to connect it to Iraq, even though no such link existed. Once it became clear that a horribly tragic event was being used as an -excuse- to carry out an operation that they'd been hoping to do since well beforehand, Bush's approval rating started a slide that bottomed out lower than any other president in history. |
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Also...Clinton's "negligence" a) created a large enough military for Bush to misuse it horribly and still not get his ass kicked and b) completely obliterated what little potential for nuclear capability Iraq had in the wake of the Iran-Iraq war. Nothing says "Negligent" quite like actually fixing the problem your successor pretended wasn't fixed as an excuse to launch an invasion. |
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Let me just state, that I am no Bush fan.
But I think it'd be interesting to see how we see him in the long run. Bush has the lowest approval ratings since Harry Truman (who had an approval rating of 23%), with the exception of Nixon, yet many historians today credit him as being one of the top 10 presidents in our history. So I think it'd be interesting to see how history looks upon George Bush. And yeah, I know Nixon had one of the worst presidencies of our time, but his was mired in scandal due to Watergate, not due to an issue like Iraq, which is one of Bush's main reasons of why his approval ratings are so low.
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Compare this with the support for Operation Iraqi Freedom, which wavered from the outset, and has simply dropped more and more, as the facts of the conflict become widely known. The lack of a connection to Al-Qaeda, the lack of WMDs, the lack of connection to 9/11 all conspired to cause President Bush's approval rating to plummet. Quote:
1993-02-05 - Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 required that companies grant maternal leave and leave for medical reasons. 1993-08-10 - Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Raised income tax rates on the wealthiest americans, created tax cuts for 15 million of the poorest americans and 90% of small businesses. 1993-09-21 - creation of the AmeriCorps volunteer program - a network of more than 3,000 non-profit organizations, public agencies, and faith-based organizations. It was created in 1993 by President Bill Clinton. More than 70,000 individuals join AmeriCorps each year. There have been more than 400,000 members since 1994. The work done by these groups ranges from public education to environmental clean-up 1993-11-30 - Brady Bill - A gun control legislation requiring a 5-day waiting period on handguns, unless or until a background check is conducted. 1994-09-13 - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - part of an omnibus crime bill, the federal death penalty was expanded to some 60 different offenses (see Federal assault weapons ban) 1996-03-14 - authorized $100 million counter-terrorism agreement with Israel to track down and root out terrorists. 1996-04-24 - Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act - to "deter terrorism, provide justice for victims, provide for an effective death penalty, and for other purposes." 1996-08-20 - Minimum wage Increase Act 1997-08-05 - Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 1998-10-31 - Iraq Liberation Act - A formal statement of the American government of its desire to bring about regime change in Iraq, and bring about the introduction of a democratic state. 1998-12-16 - Operation Desert Fox - A bombing campaign targetting Iraq's ability to effectively carry out a nuclear weapons program At no point did his approval rating fall below 40%, and for the -majority- of his term in office, his approval rating was between 50% and 70% including the highest approval rating of any president at the time they left office. I'll quote you some from Wikipedia's entry on the Clinton Administration: Quote:
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