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Forgive this obscure Nietzsche post FFR enthusiasts, it's just I'm in the middle of reading his works, and I'm bored.
Nihilism: The understanding that all values and judgements are arbitrary and nonsensicle. Everything has no meaning, and no purpose. Does life have a purpose? For me Nihilism was an unavoidable inevitability that is also an unavoidable struggle. Nihilism has shown its face to me, and now I have to struggle to accept it. I would like to think that I've accepted nihilism and the fact that i'm worthless, and that I don't matter, but it is admittidly hard to do. It goes beyond my purpose though, it goes on to the fact that nothing matters, and everything is worthless. For Neitzsche(the optimist) the way to overcome this, and avoid becoming me, avoid become the last man, was to create purpose for yourself. For Neitzsche the Ubermensch was the only way out of Nihilism, and the idea of Eternal reocurrance. But I don't accept that, I think that is ultimately the result of Nietzsche's weakness. His inability to accept the fact that Nihilism is an inevitiability for all atheists, and that their is nothing wrong with that. His inability to accept the fact that even an overman is still bound by nihilism. His inability to accept the fact that even the overnman does not matter. Nietizsche theorized the time when I would come(the last man), but he also said I am pathetic, and simply a brigde to the ubermensch. And I think Neitzsche is wrong. Their is no Ubermensch,, their is no bridge, and eternal reocurrance is a noble idea, but so was the categorical imperative. Sure it would be nice to live life like you would if you had to do it over for the rest of eternity, but that changes nothing. Life is still worthless, and we're all left with an emty feeling in the pit of our stomach. Is their purpose? Is nihilism an inevitiability? Do we all have to accept Nihilism? Can the Ubermensch ovecome Nihilism? Does Eternal Reoccurance change anything? Is the Last man and inevitiability, that will bring about the Ubermensch? All moral systems tend to become more and more rational over time....Compare our current system to what we had 100 years ago...Their is much less tradition, and a much more rational system....Moral systems will continue to become more and more rational untill they are pure ration....It is the natural progression of western morality.....Once the morality of our society has evolved as far as it can, it will be based purely off the rational, and logic/experience....Once it is based off that, Nihilism will quickly follow.
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*Bump*
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When I told my philosophy teacher last year that I thought Nietche was only demonstrating a weak mind when he circuarily resoned his way out of life being meaningless she scoffed that I should think Nietche weak of mind, but I beleive it.
I also think that no matter how sure I am right now that I can never have faith in anything, one day I will be so weak minded and desperate for that insecure hole nihilism leaves to be filled, that I will submit to some unreasonable beleif like God, just to feel better about dying. I too can't see life having any meaning and by that reasoning, it doesn't matter how you live it out. People who ignore the fundamental futility of life, enjoy it so much more. If nothing matters when we die though, the only thing left to do is either kill yourself when you're miserable enough, or try your best to enjoy it, even though there'll be no memory or anything when you're dead. Anyways, I agree with you Spec, in what you say about Nietche and nihilism and your philosophy, but I do not believe that everyone's philosophy (not even every Athiest) will result in Nihilism. Some people are Athiests because they are too lazy to bother thinking about anything deeper than what game they want to play or what they are going to eat. As long as people can live in ignorance, people will be happy. Nihilism is a deeply thought atheism, and many people don't bother thinking about life profoundly at all. If anyone is ever confused about Nihilism, my bible is www.counterorder.com //off topic *looks like we're both going for 1000 posts in the next week or so Spec.*/ |
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worship yourself, preferably once in the mornings and twice on fridays...
just take some time to think about the stunning array fo experiances you can partake in, then aim yourlife towards experiancing as much as you possibly can. thats how i dig myself out of the hole of meaningless
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Yeah or today.
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I doubt we will ever know if there is a meaning.
But we don't need meanings made for us. We can make our own meanings: I am going to continue to exist because I like ice cream. |
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You probably* have to make your own purpose (*Socratically edited)
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I live for the chance of experiencing love and pleasure. Whenever that chance seems slim I feel as though I should die. That's the only downside.
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ive experianced love, word from the wise, love is like a great big cliff, you feel like you are on top of the world when you are on top of it. just dont fall, it hurts like hell.
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Well, to counter this idea of worthlesness, the existentialists decided that everyone should have a project. If there is something you wish to do and get done, you therefore have made some sort of difference and have worth. This whole bridge to another world nonsense is just rationalizing that you have some sort of holiness. To me at least, meaning is not important, since i have two projects: to expand my mind and to gain influence to keep humans happy.
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Have a little tact, there are quite a few religious people on this forum, and calling their beliefs nonsense is just rude.
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Perfect Fat, sorry I didnt make myself clear. I mean that this whole rationalization of Nietzsche is nonsense. If you accept ALL of a religious, it makes some sense, but going halfway like Nietzsche did just seems illogical.
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