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Old 04-25-2004, 01:45 PM   #21
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Chardish, you are wrong. From nothing, occasionally nothing pops up (one atom and one anti-atom to cancel it to nothing). Occasionally instead of that nothing becoming nothing again, the nothing stays as nothing. In just the perfect situation, that nothing becomes a mass of insanely intense burning energy that is still nothing and later became our bigger nothing. From nothing came nothing and eventually it shall be nothing again. (This follows a simple equation: 1 + (-1) = 0). No eternal god being needed, just a ton of time for just the right situation to happen for nothing to become our nothing today.
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Old 04-25-2004, 03:35 PM   #22
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You cannot take a void of nothing where nothing exists, then claim that something can randomly pop out of nowhere.

Math doesn't work to justify your argument because math and physics are strictly divorced. Math contains many very theoretical concepts that do not exist in the real world.
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Old 04-25-2004, 03:53 PM   #23
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It's physics. And something isn't popping out of nothing. I already told you that. Nothing is popping out of nothing. Nothing from nothing does not violate any rules.
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Old 04-26-2004, 02:03 PM   #24
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Actually DracIV is right. He just wants to say "nothing" as many times as possible and isnt explaining it very well lol.

There is a set amount of energy in the universe, and that amount = 0.
Anytime that you "use" energy, it is really just moved somewhere else; it is just borrowed from 0. Eventually, we will have to "pay it back."
Because E=mc2 all matter is borrowed from 0 as well. That is why we have antimatter, to borrow positive (matter) a negative (antimatter) must be created. The two meet and ka-boom; you have 0 again.
Does that help?
To be honest, I dunno if I believe that is how the universe was created, but the principles themselves are facts. It is how scientists create antimatter.
Physics is a type of math, so math CAN justify his argument.
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Old 04-26-2004, 02:30 PM   #25
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Good explanation Thingy, but as you said, that does not explain the creation of the universe.
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Old 04-26-2004, 05:47 PM   #26
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"I, the Lord, am your God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." - Exodus 20
Correct. I'm christian.
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Old 05-6-2004, 02:38 PM   #27
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DracIV has a theory that truly does make sense. I like that theory better than the religious-God-creation story. I do not believe in a God, but, I have the rest of my life to make up my mind about my beliefs. So, I believe that all theories are possible, but, right now there is no way to prove one theory or another. Who knows what might happen in the future, though?
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Old 05-6-2004, 03:06 PM   #28
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Where did those atoms come from?

Something has to have existed forever that started all this
I feel that though the universe could have been formed through science like in the big bang, i agree with chardish in a way that if the universe was formed through matter and anti-matter that God created the matter and anti-matter, or made it possible for matter anti-matter to even exist. I am not in favor of the creator of this forum stating that he dislikes the fact that other christians believe in a religion that differs from his. I don't mean to make him look evil or bad but i think that if someone else wants to have different beliefs than me, fine. If they follow the bible more or less closely than me, so be it. But God did start something, it was just what that something did that got us to where we are today.
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Old 05-6-2004, 04:21 PM   #29
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Old 05-9-2004, 09:34 PM   #30
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the universe itself is compleatly balanced. all matter is energy, and when combined into a commont vessal all energy = 0.

god is a concept. not nesicarily a person.
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Old 05-9-2004, 10:22 PM   #31
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first, i am not a religious person.

second, if god did use very complex physics, and then wanted to tell the human race of how he created them, might he already know that they wouldn't understand the said physics and create a magical alternative that is easier to understand?

or even if he did explain the physics, eventually when this information is handed down to less intelligent people, they might have just slapped on this makeshift story of magic so that they could make some sort of sense of it.

does my logic make any sense whatsoever?
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Old 05-10-2004, 02:30 PM   #32
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What is beyond the universe, whether it be currently expanding or not? I don't believe in anything, but that question still bugs me a lot.

Your beliefs or whatever were very logically flawed.
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Old 05-11-2004, 09:35 AM   #33
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Overall the arguments here fall apart. For one, all religions cannot be correct, they directly contradict eachother. Christianity claims, that if you accept foregiveness, you can dwell with God, Buddhism claims you can be part of the all through discipline and meditation. One of these arguments is right, or both is wrong. Another thing, in the creation narrative in the Bible the word day is translated to "a period of time." obviously the world was not created in 7 days, but it was split up like that for a variety of reasons. Also, God is not magical. If God created our dimensions and universe, why would he have to abide by the physical laws that HE created? He wouldnt'!
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