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Old 04-24-2004, 01:11 AM   #61
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Organized Religion - The downfall of society.



Sins... so much bullsh!t there that i want to vomit... and laugh at how im still not going too hell, even though a book says I will.
stop trying to start fights. you make yourself look like an idiot.
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Old 04-24-2004, 01:18 AM   #62
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Not starting anything... Im voicing my opinion.

And i feel what i feel.
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Old 04-24-2004, 03:31 AM   #63
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hmmmm.... not really liking where this is leading to...but i'll play along.

First of all, mentaly ill people can't sin. If you sin, without ever knowing that it was a sin, then it is not a sin. The seriously mentally ill people can't even tell right from wrong, so how could they ever sin? They can't, even if that person kills 20 people it is still not a sin; because he has no way of knowing that it is wrong. If i was from a different country where the custom was to punch you in the face as a friendly gretting, and i come to the US and the first person i meet i use my countries way of saying hello by punch the guy right in his face. Would that be wrong on my part because i didn't know that this was "wrong" in the US, heck no. that was an example, there is no country with that custom (that i know of) it was used purly as an example.

Also, you are born gay. Simple as that. You don't just wake up one morning and go "hey, i'm gay".

Let me explain that alittle better. Do u (and i am assuming that u are straight, u may not be, i don't know... this is an example and i mean no offence by it) ,as a straight person, deside that you like the oppiset sex? Do u have to wake up each morning and make that choice over and over and over again? Probily not. The same goes for everything in your psyci, what are your likes, your dislikes and everything that makes up your personallity.Granted up bringing DOES have an influence on how you think and act, so it is also possible to not be born gay and still be gay.

The reason why I think that everybody, namely religion, has a problem with being gay is because it is not procreative.I can see where they are coming from, but also the bible tells us not to judge people, but to treat everyone with the same respect as you would like to be treated.Therefore, i really don't have a problem with gays. I wouldn't hate you for being gay, you can't hate a person soly on the fact that they are different and you don't like it.

God is not "cruel" because he makes people with handicaps, he makes them because he has to.Think of it this way, there HAS to be evil in the world to know what good is. How horrible would it be if EVERYONE was perfectly healthy and not a thing wrong with them and nothing ever went wrong, we could never apprecate how truely good we have it because we wouldn't have anything to compair it to because everything was always at its best.

Drac, man, you take bible stories way to literaly. Of course you could never ever ever fit all the animals in thwe world into a boat, hell we couldn't even to that now. Hell the bible said that Noah lived to be 900 years old. It was a story made to make a more abstract point, not be 100% fact. Its like saying the 3 little pigs couldnever happen because a wolfs' lungs could not produce enough force of blowing air to knock down a house. of course it couldn't have happened, its a story that teaches a lession.

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Educated masses seek answer and further science in the search for knowledge. Uneducated masses must resort to religion to find a reason for life. Educated masses can choose their future, whether they believe or not, whether they will search for answers or not. Uneducated masses are not allowed to choose
Freaking bullseye dude, that is a very true statement no madder how u cut it. I agree with that statement alot.
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:36 AM   #64
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SohCahToa, the 900 years thing didn't refer to our years. It translates to 83 years old. (Don't ask me how, but it is true).

You used the one argument I hate the most. "We need evil to know good." You don't need to appreciate the good things in life to be happy. Happiness doesn't require something to compare it against. If everyone was happy in the world and everything was perfect, life would be perfect. Appreciation of what you have would probably be a nice thing, but we don't necessarily need it. And besides, do we need evil consuming the whole world to appreciate our lives? Couldn't we just have the occasional natural disaster and a few bad things to make us appreciate? When the whole world is fighting evil and barely keeping things at a stalemate, that goes a bit beyond "enough evil to appreciate the good."
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:09 PM   #65
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Okay, the story of Noah IS MEANT TO BE A REAL STORY, NOT A MORAL LESSON. Whether you think it could happen or not is left to you.
Also every single person sins a lot. Every single person. Not just people who "know something is wrong and do it". You can not know something is wrong and still have it counted as sin.
DracIV- 900 years means 900 years. That was because sin had been in being for not close to as long and hadn't taken effect as much yet. Obviously it won't be compared to modern times.
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:18 PM   #66
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Aleco, it wasn't 900 years. If he lived 900 years, he would have crossed into a new era of history and been recorded somewhere. He wasn't. It wasn't 900 years as we think, it was another time unit. And besides, you contributed absolutely nothing except to say "No, that is wrong, you're wrong, end."

Either way, Noah's story is a moral one whether or not it is the original. It teaches that if you piss off god too much, you die and everything your ancestors had ever accomplished is wiped. I don't care for that at all when it relates to our time, but back then it had a useful meaning for inspiring fear and gaining control.
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:20 PM   #67
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when will people reailze that arguing over religion is stupid and pointless
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:25 PM   #68
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When we get to page 38,394,490,004,129,094,025,052,055 or get tired with this thread.
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:31 PM   #69
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^^How true.^^

DracIV: I have no clue where you got that from.
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:36 PM   #70
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to argue for or against religion you have to be a very ignorant person because you would be arguing for and against things that cannot by solidly proven true...anyone who argues over it is a moron, and thats not debateable
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:43 PM   #71
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Nothing can be solidly proven true. You can't even be sure you exist.
We're all morons, in our own way.
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:47 PM   #72
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for someone who has the ability to question existance, you sure do believe a lot of unproven ideas without question.
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:48 PM   #73
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well im not a ghost ill tell you that
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:49 PM   #74
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"arguing for and against things that cannot by solidly proven true..."

Ah, but they can be proven False!
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no, you cant prove the things true for the arguement and you cant prove the things against true either
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Old 04-24-2004, 04:53 PM   #76
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for someone who has the ability to question existance, you sure do believe a lot of unproven ideas without question.
What else can you believe? Nothing is really truly proven.

So you have to believe unproven things too.
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existentialism doesn't make logic and concrete evidence equal to stories and speculation.
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Old 04-25-2004, 03:34 AM   #78
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I remember (on page 2, I need a friggin' life) JewPin said that the church says that the universe spins around our solar system. I think the real statement in the Bible meant to say the Sun revolved around in a galaxy. The quote included the words, ".. as the sun goes it's course.." blah blah, I don't really remember the rest very well.

Also, I'm quite mad at the people who regarded the mentally ill and gay as "evil" or "sinners." I'm sure that wasn't God's purpose for creating them. When you fall in love with someone, or choose friends with someone, the morally right thing to do is to look at what's on the inside of that person, not on the outside. I think the same thing applies. If you're born with a disability, the moral is to learn that it's not what's on the outside that counts. It's your actual person - the personality inside you.
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Also, I'm quite mad at the people who regarded the mentally ill and #$* as "evil" or "sinners." I'm sure that wasn't God's purpose for creating them.
Or maybe they're possessed by demons, or have sold their souls to Lucifer.
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:49 PM   #80
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Sorry about bringing this back, but I came up with an AWESOME reply to the original topic:

What guest says makes a big dent in perfect fat’s opinion. When you look at life as a gift, one to be enjoyed, then it has enough meaning. Do you really need a purpose determined by someone else to guide you to happiness? Just being alive and making life enjoyable is purpose enough for me, and even better it is a purpose I choose to follow, not one that is defined for me. And in doing what they enjoy, people show more passion, emotion, and creativity than they would following specific religious rituals that are mostly insincere. Science need not be a religion, especially not like the ones of the past. I see a future where humans have used the tools they granted themselves and spread to millions of worlds, creating paradise that many only dream of. People walking through magnificent forests or through gigantic caverns that they fostered and nutured. With science we can make up for all our failings and far more, spreading life and happiness to all parts of the universe. In this way people can live lives where they are truly happy doing what they truly enjoy. For all we know, humans may find immortality and that happiness shall last forever with no need of a God or afterlife. It’s the promise of an afterlife that makes people accept terrible lives and pain-filled years. When you take away that delusion and show people to the true escape, you do not crush their humanity but instead make it the most it can possibly be. Science does not destroy creativity and emotion and thought, for it is those things, it is the search caused by those things for ultimate happiness.

The essence of our humanity truly does exist in philosophy, emotion, and thought, but we only think spirituality is part of it.
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