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Old 04-24-2004, 11:11 PM   #1
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Default Neo-Christianity.

No, This thread has nothing to do with the matrix. neo simply means new. thus New-Cristianity.

I find it appauling whenever I talk to your average devout christian. You see, I myself am a christian or sorts, but when you look at your average one you often find this one common trait.

They havent really taken the time to figure out why the hell all that happned. or to shorten that up, they haven thought about it.

i am a neo-christian. i call myself this because i no longer believe in 90% of any religion. christianity is simply the only religion that is common place where i live and well documented. it sickens me when people talk about how the world was created by "GOD" in 7 days and all that crap. lets take a close look at things.

before things existed their would be no measure of time. thus not untill the world was in place and moving at a fixed speed (the faster you move the slower time is. ) would you be able to say what was a day.

firstly, HAD a god created a universe it woudln't be just by magic. it would have to have been done with massive amounts of very very very very complicated phisics. that said HAD, a god come back in the form of a flaming bush/prophet. their would be no point in telling everyone of the time exactly how s/he had done it simply because no one would have understood what the hell they were talking about. also had those two things happend and the god could see what was going on here, they would probly have some sort of attachment to us humans so s/he would have imparted morality onto us to keep us from wiping ourselves out. whats the best way to accomplish this. make them fear death! how do you do that? tell them that if they die AND they were good they would be sent to a place where they would be happy forever. but if they were bad they would suffer the most painfull tortures for all of eternaty. naturally had god created these people and wanted them to go on living as such s/he wouldnt have just told people in one place of the world. s/he woudl have sent their prophets to every culture. so then all religions are right. and you only come to glimpse the true thing when you combine all religions/philosophies.

neo-christianity WANTS you!
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:19 PM   #2
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sure what you're trying to say makes sense, but your spelling doesn't.
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:21 PM   #3
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too true. is this a philosophical thread or a spelling bee?
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:23 PM   #4
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if you are trying to be serious, try putting a little effort into it?
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:30 PM   #5
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i see philosophy is wasted on you. kindly remove yourself from the tread so the intelectuals can make intellegent comments.
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:31 PM   #6
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you can hardly consider yourself an intellectual if you can't even spell it, dumbass.
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:44 PM   #7
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Fusion it seem you are in the wrong forum, just so you know, you are currently in the critical thinking forum. and from what you have demonstratede so far, their is nothing resembleing critical thinking coming from your pathetic discourse. try the garbage forums, they seem to be a bit more your style. unwanted, useless, and reeking of pointlessness.
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Firstly, please do not bring special relativity and time dilation into a discussion of creation. Relativistic theories are based on distinct frames of reference. "in the beginning" there would have only been one (that of god). Furthermore, whatever point you could show would just be speculation anyways, so it may as well just be left out altogether. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you can't show anything with physics...

Secondly, I find it interesting that you can find so many flaws with christianity and yet you, unlike most, do not loose your faith completely. It's odd that you cite physics, which I consider to be almost the polar opposite of religion, as a support for your own "neo-christianity".


finally, citing spelling as a proof of a grievous lack of intelligence is pretty ignorant. people type fast, and people don't want to be 100% correct all the time.
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:49 PM   #9
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so then to you god must be magical?

also, all we have of religion is that of an individuals interpritation of events. thrown on top of that many differant translations, and edits.

the reason i do not loose my faith is that their must have been a spark to begin everything. i think this simply because we have no viable explanation of how the universe came to be here. so untill we do i have faith.
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omg vxdx u said loose instead of lose, you fart.
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so then to you god must be magical?
no, to me god doesn't exist. but to the religious, god is "magical". how else would you define creation of everything ever and supreme rule over the entire universe in this life and the next. if you explain it to yourself with physics and you believe that, great, I can't hold your beliefs against you, but if someone were to look at what you said, they could easily say that god doesn't follow the laws of traditional physics and their point would have just as much validity as yours.
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ahh, i see. let me ask you this though. had god told everyone back when he made the bible how he (im using he because its faster to type then s/he) had done it then no one would have understood. and most likly it wouldnt be so popular.

creation of everything/suprime rule, could be explained as simply as god, (most likely a scientist of some kind) creating an alternate dimention of some sort whereapon a big bang could accur without the nesecity of himself (see above) being destroyed. and thus after the big bang we have a usniverse, and for suprime rule. i tie that into "god" wanting us to keep living thus wanting to strike fear. i admit that thier is no plausable afterlife in which to speak of. it was simply a ploy to keep us humans in line. another thing that should be noted. why else would their be no further contact to us then that perhaps god is dead?
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God is dead - Nietzsche

I think the fall of religion is inevitable. People are becoming more and more aware of the world around them, and they refuse to stand for corruption. Chruches act as an envoy to God, but most people want to know their God(s) personally. As we look back at the Catholic and Protestant church's throughout history, we see morally reprehensible acts and advocations of everything from genocide to slavery to facism. People don't want to be associated with that.
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You offend my religion.
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"Nietzsche is dead" - God

The "creating spark" IronMonk refers to is most certainly God. Claiming that something greater than God created God rejects God.

"I, the Lord, am your God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." - Exodus 20
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Charish, I disagree. You can't say that with any certainty. That spark could have been the occasionally occuring 1-in-900-trillion-chance-of-staying-longer-than-a-millisecond pair of matter and antimatter atoms that randomly pop up in vacuum. If that pair stayed, it would have caused one heck of an explosion. That's the explanation for the Big Bang. Experiments have proved that the matter-antimatter pairs do naturally pop up and can be made, and even though they almost always disappear nearly instantly, if two stayed (possible) it would cause a massive chain reaction. We actually have the entire Big Bang mapped out.
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Where did those atoms come from?

Something has to have existed forever that started all this.
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ahh, i see. let me ask you this though. had god told everyone back when he made the bible how he (im using he because its faster to type then s/he) had done it then no one would have understood. and most likly it wouldnt be so popular.
The bible isn't a creation of God. It's the teachings of Jesus in.. story form.
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ahh, i see. let me ask you this though. had god told everyone back when he made the bible how he (im using he because its faster to type then s/he) had done it then no one would have understood. and most likly it wouldnt be so popular.
The bible isn't a creation of God. It's the teachings of Jesus in.. story form.
If you would actually read the Bible you would know your claims to be inaccurate.
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I'm almost forced to study/read the Bible. I attend a catholic highschool. But, if I'm wrong.. I'm wrong..
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