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There was a time when the universe revolved around the Earth, and nobody questioned it. Today, the Earth revolves around the sun, and nobody questions it.
Instead of believing superior beings created our world, we have turned to science as the great faith. The scientists are our clergy, and their discoveries our daily teachings. Once an open venue for the propaganda of racists and bigots (Negro-Mania for example), science is now seen as the unbiased, undeniable Truth to the mysteries of our universe. Some don't understand the scripture, but they don't dare question their clergy for fear of being scorned. Instead of Sunday school, children learn about it every day at secular institutions. Instead of turning to a priest, we turn to a person in a labcoat. If we step back and examine the new world religion, we can see leaps of faith, and the unshakable devotion that some have towards those beliefs. The Big Bang, now commonly accepted as the true Genesis of our universe, can not be empirically proven, it cannot be witnessed. Through physics however, we have created formulae that prove it happenned. Instead of embracing this world as a proving ground for our essence, we grasp on to the belief that our corporeal existence is devoid of significance. We aren't divine creations, simply meat bags that exist to pass on our DNA. As we contribute, in apparent perpetuity, to this revoluion in thought, our place in the universe becomes more and more meaningless and hence, our lives become worthless. One could contend that this is the ultimate method of mind control, the deadening of the soul. Why create when both the process and the end result are worthless? Why exist when our lives are no more important than that of a cockroach? In British Columbia, they are in the process of exterminating 19 million fowl to control the spread of the Avian Flu. One could argue, scientifcally, that the extermination of all people with AIDS, Hepatitis, and other communicable diseases, is justifiable to ensure a safe breeding ground for untainted human beings. The violence in our world has created a conniption among the relgious. They believe their faith must have a monopoly for our species to continue. Is it imperceivable that this could happen among the Science-Faithful in the future? A Brave New World where life has been proven meaningless and the furthering of our species our ultimate, and only, goal? The elimination of passion, emotion and creativity in favour of productivity and cleanliness? A whitewashed world, packed with tens of billions of automatons whose mantra is "Life is Meaningless."? Daily services held to push this ideal? Curious children told not to think because thought is meaningless? Emotion driven out of us slowly, generation by generation, until finally we feel nothing at all? The essence of our humanity exists in philosophy, spirituality, emotion and thought. Without that, our lives truly do not have meaning. (I just want to add that I am preaching NOTHING with this essay, so pls don't flame me, or call me a bible thumper or anything. Thank you and good nite.) |
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science will never be like religion. religion is faith, science is science.
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Neither science or religion can function without each other.
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There is a difference between theory and fact. Evolution is a theory, the Big-Bang is a theory. Neither have been "proven" as fact.
The thing about science versus religion is that with science, when one thing is proven, it is proven and universal. If someone disagrees, they create an hypothesis and preform an expiriment. Unlike with religion, in which they mindlessly kill each other over who's imaginary friend is better. Scientists do not demand that people worship them. They do not use scare tactics to get people to believe. |
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Plus, science has its laws. Laws are pretty much as close to fact as you could possibly be. A law has never been broken. And theorys are based off them, as they're the foundation for most scientific findings and whatnot. And atleast a theory is based on CURRENT EVIDENCE. It hasn't been proven totally, but atleast it has something to back it up. And our place in the universe doesn't necessarily become meaningless. As we discover how rare our planet really is, and how lucky we really are to be here...i see life as more of a gift than an actual 'meaning'. That is why I enjoy life. |
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Anyways, I think you're looking at my comparison from a very literal level. Most of you nay-sayers have gone on that religion isn't fact and science is. Ask a devout Christian if it is a fact that God created the universe. You subscribe to theories that may or may not be proven false in the future. Remember when the missing link was "found"? A scientist combined the jaw of an ape with the skull of a man (I believe that was the combination). He was revered until it was discovered he was a fraud shortly after. How do we know that some of these frauds aren't fact today? There is a leap of faith involved in science. A trust of those that may only be seeking admiration and immortality. Quote:
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It was originally a quote from einstein, that I don't know word for word but it goes along those lines. Basically.. fuck, forget it. I'm done.
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The big difference between religion and science is this: in religion, you cannot question your greaters or the basic truths given to you; in science, you SHOULD question your greaters and the basic truths to prove their truth, for that is what the entirety of science is (questioning the world around your to find out the truth).
If some martyr had 12 followers make up a bunch of mumbo-jumbo and stick it on the end of a previous religious book, few if any of the people who believed it would examine it closely and look for falseness, but would instead follow it blindly. If someone came up with a new theory for the universe, everyone (even those who believed it) would examine it closely and look for falseness, and until everyone had proven (as far as any are able to tell) that it is true, then it is still considered an educated guess. |
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good point DracIV
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Evolution is a theory, Big Bang is a theory, yet if you think about it, God, Jesus Christ and the whole bible itself is a theory. No one can be 100% sure that the bible is true, because it may have been written thousands of years ago by someone who just got people believing. Please don't flame me, as this is only a possibility.
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I would have to agree with fat on this one.... he is making alot of since.
I think one difference between the 2 is this: 1) Religion has a book that was written by many people over a long period of time and a long time ago. So therefore, we "modern humans" think that just because its old it has no basis on the here and now. And also the bible says that we should be kind to each other and share our money, and give any our things; this is just NOT what people want to hear nowa days because they are greedy SOBs. 2) Science tells us that there is no life after death, so its ok to be greedy, be nasty, screw who ever you want, and basicly do whatever the freak u want because hey.... theres really no consequenses to our actions. And good lord... people want to hear that.... because we are greedy and evil by nature. Poeple seriously think that just because science has a bunch of computers, numbers, and formulea to make everything sound fancy; that its right. Welll my friends.... we know about 0.0000000000000000000001% of this world... and if you are stupid... thats not alot. For god's sake... we don't even know why we age.....and noone really wants to find out! Let me ask you a question guys... do u believe in gravity.... the ozone layer....time itself? No need to answer... because they are all fake. You can't explain gravity... you just freaking can't. The ozone is a theory, and alot of people expect this fundimental fact, well its not... because it has yet to be proven. Time....omg time gets its OWN paragraph.... nobody questions whiether time is real or not....why u ask... because theres a computerized clock right in front of you tell you what time it is. Well my friends...time is a measurement.... like inches, centimeters, and the lot... and being a measurement it has to be comepaired to something. Scienists chose a full revolution around our sun to be our day. Why? Because of day and night being so different. well... time just doesn't stop and restart after every single night, nor is it different anywhere else in the universe. Also... adding on to this, time doesn't exist because it is errational. The past has all ready happened and the future has yet to happen. Also the present can be broken down to as many places after the decmal point as you want.... it will never stop, therefor it does not exist. Wow....getting off subject alittle......back on track now.... to the person that said if some comes up with a theory and people examine it carefully and see if anythings wrong, what about our freaking number system. Not to pick on you... but.... have u ever asked your self: why are there errational number, why can't Pi be found (thats 3.14...... number), why are there repeating decimals? Did you ever stop to think that maybe our number system is totally wrong? Theres no examination of our number system because our scienctist think that they are 100% right, when they could be 100% wrong all the time. Nobdy really wants to think that anyways, because all science did for us was they made apps to an already existing numberical system. Can any of us even THINK of a way to have math different. the answer is no.... because we have been tought this since we have been able to remember... and we have been tought this to be a fact...when in fact if it was the perfect number system it would have so many errors in as ours does. People blame the bible for contradicting itself alot.... when our own science does it 4 million times more, and yet we have never questioned numbers... thats really wierd to me. lol... wow.... welll thats my rant... sorry for the lack of spelling/grammer... i was typing this in a hurry to get back to ffr 8D oh by the way Quote:
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"Scienists chose a full revolution around our sun to be our day" That would be a year. The time it takes the earth to spin a full rotation around its axis is a "day" which happens to be 24 hours. Quote:
Gravity? It is the force that keeps us on this Earth. The rotation of the Earth (aprox. 1000mph) forces us to stay put on the surface. Ever riden a rollercoaster? You know that feeling when you are pushed down into your seat (aka G-force) That is gravity. Pi is the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle. It never ends because a circle never ends. Quote:
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http://flashflashrevolution.com/inde...dfdbd7c562932a Never questioned numbers, hell, we've questioned our entire math system. Oh, and scientists didnt create numbers. They were "discovered" before recorded history. |
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As I've found, being a devout Christian, many atheists use the fact that religion can't be scientifically proven to discredit it entirely. They then use terms like "freaks", "brainwashing", or as Jewpin said "imaginary friend" to make the religious seem somehow idiotic or blind to the realities of the world.
I believe that religion and science are not enemies, because obviously God would have had to create science - God would have had to determine how things were going to work and why. Science has created an obsession with "proof" though - secular people think that just because they can't get scientific proof of God that he doesn't exist. Note to the secularists: Faith is a very deep and powerful thing that defies normal explanation. You should attempt to understand why people are faithful before riding it off as a silly fantasy. And don't just use excuses like "they're trying to get over their insecurities" or "they're trying to keep from despairing" or something like that. Accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, there might be something greater in the universe that wants to talk to us, even though so often we refuse to listen, hopelessly enamored with the tangible world around us. Understand the gifts that faith gives to the faithful. |
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just some thoughts...
hundreds of thousands of religions on this planet. each religion claiming every single other religion is the world is false...well...that rules out EVERY religion in the world as bs except for one, which might also be bs, but we're not sure. therefore more than 99% of religion consists of falsity and deception. the chances that one single religion we're not totally sure about is a true religion, even though it's much like all the others, is like 0.000001%. no offense chardish, this is just logic i need water.
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