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Old 04-5-2004, 09:26 PM   #1
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Alright this one takes a while to read so if you have a short attention span you might have trouble.

I want to discuss the measure of the human brain and the knowledge it can contain. My belief is that there are many different levels of intelligence, these levels are unknown to us right now, hopefully they will help us to re-establish our education system, political system, economic system, and help us to come together in peace and harmony without rules and regulations and restrictions, but an ultimate intelligence that all can be taught and understood. This intelligence will not need studying or long periods of techings, it will be a simple way of understanding that applies to all things. I will take a deep look at the effect of the quotient a human has in society. According to the newest version of the Dictionary, the definition for IQ is: obtained by dividing the mental age by the chronical age and multiplying by 100: a person of average intelligence would therefore have an IQ of 100.

First I want to look at the different levels of the "I" in IQ. According to the dictionary, the definition of intelligence is: the ability to perceive logical relationships and use one's knowledge to solve problems and respond appropriately to novel situations. I believe it necessary to share the definition of knowledge. To apprehend with the conscious mind, to know truth from falsehood, to be acquainted with by experience, to recognize, to have acquired skill in, to be able to imagine, to be informed about, to be in possesion of the facts about, to have committed to memory, to be irrationally convinced of, understanding or awareness of something, to be certain of or convinced about something to be. The great thing is, that all the levels are in the definition of knowledge, they are just not classified as different, it is true that they all work together, but nevertheless they are all different and distinct thinking patterns. Some people believe that in order to know something, you must know the opposite of it. Ie. We have good only because we know what is bad. For my first argument in response to the definition of knowledge, where it says to apprehend with the conscious mind, I must ask a question, what is the opposite of the conscious mind? Unconscious? Many people have theories about what the unconscious is, but we lack a proven standard definition of what unconscious, consciousness, and sleep really is. Secondly, to understand something you must get outside of it, just like we can only see life from our perspective because we cannot see it from anyone elses, we cannot say that we know life, we can only say that we see it from our perspective and we have an opinion about it. How about the second line: to know truth from falsehood. Well we have to ask ourselves, what is truth? The dictionary definition for truth is: the state or quality of being true, something which is true, accuracy, sincerity, integrity, agreement with fact. The first two lines in the definition of truth are relating back to the word, the next line is accuracy, how accurate are we with anything that we do or say? I once did an experiment in highschool that my teacher put forth to us, its point was to show how misconstrude truth can be. One person is given a story by the teacher, that person has to re-tell that story to a second person, and so forth for about five people. At the end the fifth person tells the class the story he heard from the forth person, the teacher then retells the story that was told to the first person--the first and last stories are nowhere near the same. So intelligence is anything but clear, and anything but one thing. There are obviously levels to it. I looked at the way we learn and the way we think to answer that question. How do we learn? If we take the school approach I must say that we learn with memorization and basic application of the memorization. We memorize what we read and what we ehar, when a topic comes up regarding the text we memorized we regergetate what we read or heard. Is that intelligence? I think the average person would say "no", but society as a whole seems to think so, why need a degree in law to get a job as a lawyer? In law school you must memorize cases and laws and regergitate the information with some application when it is test time. You do this for a few years and you become a lawyer.

The dictionary definition of memorization goes as follows: something learned, the total store of mentally retained impressions and knowledge. So, the first level of intelligence is memorization (the levels are not in any specific order).

The second level what I like to call "Five senses Intelligence", this is learning through our five senses--but proper learning must be done through all five senses not just one or two. For example, you take a coconut--you feel it because you're holding it, you see it because it is before your eyes, you smell it, you taste it by licking it or biting into it, and you hear it (if you hit it against something).

The third level is a special level of intelligence, I'm not sure what to name it, but it is when you are good at one thing and you find a way to relate that one thing to just about anything else. For example, I am good at martial arts and I can find a way to make it fit with math, my personality, books, music, nature, to...anything.

The fourth level, natural intelligence, is a mysterious level, it is when you have had no prior experience or knowledge of something but somehow you naturally understand.

The fifth level, gut intelligence, is almost like a sixth sense, it is when your gut tells you something that you had no way of knowing. The fifth and fourth level are not the same, they are actually quite different. The gut feeling will come without any stimuli, it will happen for no reason, but the forth level is needs stimuli. An example of the fifth level is, you are out at a party and all of a sudden you get a gut feeling that there is something wrong with your mother, but there is no reason for there to be anything wrong with her. You call home and no one answer, you later find out your mother was hospitalized because she ate something bad and had to have her stomach pumped. The sixth level of intelligence is the speed and efficiency a human progresses in when good at something. For example, I learned to ski like my parents' friends who have been skiing their whole lives, by being on ski' for the first time in my life and practicing for a half an hour.

The sixth sense of intelligence only applies to your own ability progressing naturally, without anyone telling you what to do.

The seventh level of intelligence is originality. The ability to be yourself and add your personality, abilities, and ideas to novel situations. It may be that the fourth level and the seventh level are the same.

The eighth level of intelligence is imagination (creativity). The ability to imagine things the way they are, should be, or could be. It take this level to be able to do previous levels of intelligence.

The ninth level of intelligence is related to the second level (five sense intelligence), only that this intelligence is rarely ever thought about. It is an inborn (innate) intelligence that is very much a part of all our body parts. This intelligence is responsible for all motor movement, whether conscious or sub-conscious. When you walk, you are not consciously thinking about all the muscles to move, the angles to move them at, and the distance to move them to. It is all calculated sub-consciously. It can be done consciously, you can actually think to yourself to move your leg at a 45 degree angle at a speed of 1m/min creating an arc stretching 60 cm. But the two need to be demarcated. This intelligence is always with you and is always active in the back of your mind. This level defines your body language and your personality.

The tenth level of intelligence is best described as curiousity. That which drives us to WANT to know. Without this, all the rest are useless, because they would never come into use from a lack of drive.

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Old 04-5-2004, 10:13 PM   #2
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Old 04-5-2004, 10:52 PM   #3
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Right, now aside from that little slam, you make some interesting theories but you have a bunch of fallacies you need to work on.

You seem to be describing all functions of the human mind as "intelligence" whereas this is simply not the case. Intelligence is nothing more than the ability to understand and reason, given the facts. Notice that I said ability, not "memorized knowledge". This ability is developed through education.

The purpose of education isn't so that you can memorize long lists of boring facts, it's brain practice. When you get into whatever profession you choose to get into, chances are you don't need to know

Clearly you know little about what law school involves. Law students do not memorize case law; quite the contrary. There are paralegals for that who look up case law for the lawyers so they can cite them in trial. Law school teaches students how to form effective arguments, how to properly use evidence, how to think on their feet. Anyone who's seen actual court proceedings (not Law & Order or mumbo-jumbo like that) will recognize that law practice is a contest of wits - if both sides have convincing evidence, the trial will solely rest on the skill of the lawyers to present their cases. It takes intelligence: understanding of their arguments and their opponent's, and reasoning so they can quickly develop arguments of their own.

Anyway, I'll use my understanding of your arguments and my own reasoning to try and debunk some of what you've said.

Myth #1:) To know something you must know the opposite of it.

This is entirely untrue. You know what a pencil is. You know how it works. You know how to use it. You could teach anyone else in the world how to use it (even if they couldn't read or write, you could still teach them how to mark with it.) But what is the opposite of a pencil?

To use more metaphysical examples, what is the opposite of color? What is the opposite of stage fright? What is the opposite of the sound a gun makes? But you know what all of these things are. You may not understand them fully on every level, but you certainly know them.

Myth #2:) Learning must be done through all five senses.

Perhaps in the infantile years, yes. This is why babies put everything in their mouths - it's part of how they get to understand it. This is also why some animals sniff everything they come into contact with. But for young and adult humans, it's a different story. You might be the best computer technician on the planet, but did you learn how to build and repair computers using your senses of smell and taste? Or even hearing, so much?

Myth #3:) "gut intelligence" and "natural intelligence"

"Gut intelligence" is nothing more than a hunch which may prove to be true or untrue. It has nothing to do with reason or understanding. Now, some people might have better "gut instincts" than others. But on the other hand, this has nothing to do with reason or understanding, so we must disqualify it as a form of intelligence. The same goes with "natural intelligence" - just because you're naturally inclined to do something better doesn't make you a more intelligent person. Everyone has their gifts.

Myth #4:) Creativity is a form of intelligence.

Creativity is the ability to see things in ways that others don't. Now, just because someone has this particular gift (see above) doesn't mean that they understand it better or are better able to reason it. It's like those optical illusions where you can see 2 images in the same picture, depending on what you imagine is what. It's just looking at it a different way, it's not understanding it or reasoning it.

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Old 04-5-2004, 11:53 PM   #4
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What about natural talent? Ie: Talent to throw a baseball, play hockey, to write novels, to debate politics well, etc... things the body does well through little or no training. In terms of sports, training would be used to become better at your talent, but where would that lie in your levels?

Although I don't entirely agree with your "level" model, I do think that there is an "untapped" source in our mind. We only use 10% of our brain.. so what about the other 90? My friend suggests that it is storage, but I think that if that were the case, we'd never forget anything. Without a doubt there's storage, but I think it's more along the lines of 10-25% of the brain.

My personal belief is that we can become harmonous with external objects, with our own body. Using our mind, we could literally fly, cure all diseases, shoot fire, teleport, etc etc. It's all inside our mind, we just have to find a way to access that ability and use it. Example: Why do dogs just seem to know how to get home? Why do fish/turtles go to the same place to spawn, no matter how far they go from it? Somewhere along the ages, we lost the more powerful uses of our mind.. and in time we'll have to get them back. I really believe these shaolin monks can do many of the things people claim (Ie: fly, stop arrows from point blank, but their body in a state that it will not decompose when it dies.. etc) It is all about knowing yourself - going beyond what we are told to believe, and realizing the potential we have. It may be a certain thing that brings out that potential, maybe one will just realize it.. others will never realize it. I will spend my life trying to find a way to become harmonous with my own self (I'm not some nature, don't shave, god freak - I'm just like anyone else). Finding inner peace with one's self is a key to unlocking the potential of our mind... that's my opinion... which is why I believe in meditation, martial arts, and some unexplanable pheonomenoms (sp?) that are in the world.

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Old 04-6-2004, 12:35 AM   #5
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First, I think you joining the air force would be a complete and utter loss to the world of modern philosophy.

I think that intelligence is simply the ability of your conscious mind to decipher the world around you and to interpret your subconcious thoughts.
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Old 04-6-2004, 02:39 AM   #6
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Humans dont use all of their brains. Thats my take.
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Old 04-6-2004, 03:59 PM   #7
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Is the 90% or whatever that we don't use totally unused or just used for subconscious actions like digesting and stuff? Or maybe it's just area for thoughts to be processed? Or maybe it's just vestigial tissue? Whatever it is, I'm not taking my time to read all the stuff posted in this topic. :P
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"humans don't use 90% of their brains" = urban myth
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Old 04-7-2004, 12:46 AM   #9
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It's 10% of their brain is used for active functions (things you know you do - move your arm, pick something up, speak, look at something, etc). The other 90 is relatively unknown.
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Old 04-7-2004, 11:02 PM   #10
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No, they've disproved that theory. It's just that we don't use our brains to their full potential. For example, I've started using this speed reading program called EyeQ, and with one 7 minute session, I doubled my reading speed. Monks can become impervious to pain through control of their brain and body functions.

The entire pursuit of western life is comfort and simplicity. Our brains are lazy. We all have untapped potential, and that potential is limitless. All it takes is hardwork and dedication *groans* Why can't it be easy like changing channels?
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Humans use 100% of their brain, we only know what 10% (the outer layer) of the brain does.

ESP, De Javu, stuff like that, we cant explain. We cant explain how information is recorded into our subconcious, but we know it stays there. Memories, etc....
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you do use all of your brain--each part is responsible for certain activities, and it isn't all used at once because it needs to rest periodically.When you are asleep certain parts rest while others are at work.

Monks who train their entire lives to be able to block pain, slow their heart rates, I don't believe are necessarily using more than a physicist, they are just using it in a different way.

You really aren't supposed to use it all at once, because that isn't how it is designed to function. We generally don't run anything at 100% of it's possible capacity--It would be akin to running a reactor dangerously close to meltdown. like, if you ran it at 100% constantly, when would it be able to rest? You couldn't, it isn't designed to.
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Or your processor. It will get really hot and stop working properly.
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