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Old 03-8-2007, 01:37 PM   #21
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Default Re: Order vs. Chaos

The topic is about order and chaos, the actual things. It might not be entirely pragmatic or even possible for human beings to understand quantum mechanics, but if reality is entirely ordered then there is no such thing as chaos.

In this case it is only the limits of human perception which gives us the illusion of chaos.

Think Kant and the difference between the noumenal and phenomenal worlds.
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Old 03-8-2007, 02:11 PM   #22
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Wait a minute! Since when did I make a thread that actually made sense. *Pats himself on the back.* Anyway, it takes alot of concentration to see exactly why order and chaos do work in unison. This discussion may take an ugly turn.
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Old 03-8-2007, 09:47 PM   #23
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I understand that. It's still not practical.

From a practical point of view, random is taken to mean 'random for all practical purposes'. You achieve nothing by saying it is ordered, because I don't think quantum mechanics claims to be absolutely random in the first place.

The randomness occurs in particular because when ATTEMPTING TO MEASURE (this is key), i.e. observe a 'random' event, wave functions become entangled (I'm sure you've heard that observers change the outcome).
yeah that's what i'm saying. the natural occurrences are not chaotic in and of themselves, it's our perception/lack of knowledge about them that introduces the errors, which is why we need statistics. not because there are actual chaotic events going on.
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Ok so... your basically saying that there is order in chaos? Right?
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Old 03-8-2007, 10:52 PM   #25
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More like... Chaos is just order we don't understand.
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That makes alot more sense thanks Kilroy
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