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Old 03-16-2004, 09:16 PM   #21
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V7 doesn't happen naturally in the major scale... its just the V chord... because the major scale goes on the 3 note triads... V7 is 4 notes... and even when they do use 4 notes... its just the root repeated generally... the 7 is a different interval. V is naturally occuring, not V7.

and yea it is classical too, but its generally a jazzy sounding chord... just hitch it on the end of ur cadence instead of ur I chord, and tada... jazzy ending
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Old 03-16-2004, 09:29 PM   #22
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But the mixolydian scale naturally occurs. That's what I'm saying. Or rather, what I meant to say. Well, actually only slightly. I am, in a way, covering for myself, but I still hold to my reason.
Yes, those four notes were not used as often, but they were still there.
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Old 03-16-2004, 09:37 PM   #23
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you said major scale, not mixolydian mode... mixolydian mode isnt the major scale. and yes they (the four notes) were there, im not arguing that with you, but im saying it wasnt popular enough to have its own chord until it really started pushing through in jazz, then it became extremely popluar in composition, but this is getting into the history of things and away from what the thread is about... so...
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:39 PM   #24
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Okay. You're right. I messed up again.
I think you get what I mean, but I'll explain it, anyways.

I meant if you take a major scale (C for example) and play that scale but starting on the fifth (G in this case) you get a G7 scale, which is mixolydian.
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:56 PM   #25
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there ya go, that i can deal with
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:50 PM   #26
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I handle making music in a simple fashion:

1. Put down the first (#) of notes that you think up off the top of your head, in the order they came to you.

2. Think of Beat and Rythm for notes to follow.

#2 is the hard part.

3. If needed, switch note order around, if one feels it'll sound better that way.

4. Switch rythm and/or beat at any given time in process.

5. Add in "the works" (everything thats not Beat, Rythm, or Note).

6. Pitch the idea, having come up with a pile of crap.


Just my two cents.
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Old 03-17-2004, 12:06 AM   #27
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thats basically what theory is, go on a whim and work with it... what we were talkin about was the patterns ppl generally fallow when they do it, but there not generally necessary
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Old 03-18-2004, 11:09 AM   #28
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Music theory
Music theory is the study of why music does what it does. People who don't know theory still know the "modes". All it has to do with, is how and why your ear interprets sounds to create a desired feeling, and why the specific sounds worked, in order to create a melody, or what-not. Well, what's a chord? It's a sound. What is a sound? The particular auditory effect produced by a given cause. If I'm wrong in any ways, I welcome criticism.
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Old 03-18-2004, 11:10 AM   #29
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Wow, Login was screwed up. That was me above ^.
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Old 03-18-2004, 10:30 PM   #30
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There are books on the music theory.
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Old 03-18-2004, 10:48 PM   #31
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Yeah, but books cost money.
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Old 03-18-2004, 11:28 PM   #32
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and i dont think you can get the full experience from a book anyway... you can stare at a page til your blue in the face and not understand something.
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Old 03-18-2004, 11:41 PM   #33
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Are you referring to reading a book as just words and nothing more? "Staring at a page" won't help, you'll have to put some effort into your reading...take what the author says and use either deductive or inductive reasoning...going from content to understanding and all in between, then touching on mystery once you understand it. It also requires you care enough to try to understand.

Books do cost money. Being interested and willing to invest time and money in something will bring up more options on how to learn about something...but yeah...if there's free information, go for it. I haven't studied the music theory yet. I just play the piano ^_^
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Old 03-18-2004, 11:45 PM   #34
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when i mean staring at a book, i was kinda going along the lines that for many people... you can read and read and read a theory book over and over again and it will mean nothing to you, no matter how much you try to understand it. Ive found theory to be much more effective when taught person to person. A lot of times it just needs to be said a certian way for it to click, and a book doesn't offer any type of variation when it comes to explanations.
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Old 03-19-2004, 08:00 AM   #35
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Wow... I like how you all just strayed off topic.. You did a good job at it... But, the topic is about music theory, not books.
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Old 03-19-2004, 11:49 PM   #36
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I believe that a topic is an ever-evolving entity.
It may start as one thing, but eventually it will be something else.
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Old 03-19-2004, 11:54 PM   #37
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thats exactly it, and its not all that far off topic anyway... we werent just talking about books, we were talking about Music Theory Books... and how they contributed to the learning experience.
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