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Old 03-17-2004, 07:10 AM   #1
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Default The Metaphysical Myth of Morality

Let us imagine, just for a moment, that every possible outcome in our reality does indeed happen. In other words, there is an infinite number of "you"'s in parallel universes that did things differently than you did. Perhaps, just for argument, they chose not to read this. Instead, they went out and got drunk, or played Mario Kart, or called their ex-girlfriend, or masturbated to devious sexual acts that you would never consider to look up, but just happened to. Anything that's possible, you do... including die.

Ok, now stay with me, I'm going to get really weird here, and I don't mean to be creepy, it's just the manner in which I must explain myself.

This means, there's an infinite number of corpses out there... one for every living version of you. Now, consider that there's an infinite number of "you"'s out there. They each make a different choice than you. They went left when you went right, they went right when you went wrong. Now consider, there's also an equal cardinality for the number of universes in which you do not exist. You just..never...happened. Now, you have the full scope as it matters to you. You're either alive, alive and different, dead, or you never existed.

Now consider this... one of your cardinally infinite Doppelgangers, your doubles... they made all the RIGHT choices. I mean, THE RIGHT ONES. Somewhere, you're in heaven. Now consider THIS. You're not dead. That means that one of your Doppelgangers is never going to die. Why? Because this is possible, and if all possible choices occur, at least one of the "you"'s will live forever.

Now, let me ask you this... how do you know you're not one of the doubles that lives forever?

Now, let me ask you this... what's stopping you from living forever?

Disease? The answer to that is not to contract anything in the first place. This is TOTALLY possible.

Murder? The answer to that is not to involve yourself with others.

Accident, act of nature? The answer to this is sheer luck.

Bodily degradation? The answer to this is rejuvenation.

Suicide? You're already dead...somewhere... you'll always be alive... somewhere.

See? With the current ideation of quantum physics, you are potentially immortal.

Now let me ask you this... what is different from the "you" now and the "immortal you" later? When you are dead, do you question why the two "you"'s split? No...you're dead. So, as long as you are alive, you're working towards immortality. In other words... there is no difference between the you now and the immortal you.

Now, let's consider Schrodinger's Cat. Schrodinger stated that due to the subatomic nature of matter, all things macro atomic would also have to obey the same rules. Ok, picture this situation. You created a system such that there is a device that detects the decay of a substance. This substance is just as likely to decay within one hour as it is as likely it is to not decay. If it decays, the detector goes off and releases a hammer which knocks off a vile of hydrocyanic acid inside a box that contains a small, little, kitten. This kills the kitten (named Mittens for S&G's). However, if it does not decay, the cat lives. The interesting thing, though, is that there is a third option. This option is observable at subatomic levels. It's superposition. It's like... the smeared reality state where something both happens and doesn't happen at the same instance. Quantum computers operate on this principle. It's rather weird.

So let's see what happens to our cat, Mittens. In one reality, Mittens survives the hour, and leaves the confines of that box unscathed. In another reality, Mittens dies a horrible choking death to this awful chemical. In yet another reality... Mittens is both alive and dead at the same time. "Whoa," right?

Ok, so from the perspective of the scientist, Mittens dies, or survives, or does both. However... to Mittens, she's always alive. She cannot die. See, if all possible realities happen, and we are just slipping into one or another, splitting with another one of "us" that chose another path, then we cannot ask "Why am I not dead". The answer is obvious. Because you're immortal until you die. Hey, ever consider that Mittens survives the chemical attack? It's possible. What are you going to say to Mittens? "Why are you alive?" What answer would make you more happy? A simple rational possibility supported by empirical evidence? Or perhaps... "because she survived" is more appropriate. I'm sure Mittens wont ask you why she's alive, or even if she is.

You see, to Mittens, the result doesn't matter. We are a closed system unto ourselves. Our very being, our very consciousness is a closed system. As a result, we cannot observe our reality. We can only judge other's reality and apply it to us. Furthurmore, we cannot judge how we affect our reality. This means that just because we see others die doesn't mean we are going to die. We can be immortal. Don't discard that Idea.

My point? Unless you're dead, you're immortal. Right? It's always possible that you live forever, so it's going to happen. One of you is going to live forever. Do you think this "you" will ask why he's still alive? Do you think there's anything different from the "you" who is alive and reading and the possible "you" that lives forever? Nope, none.

If all men are mortal, I am only a mere man to you.
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Old 03-17-2004, 07:14 AM   #2
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heh you don't give up with the critical thinking do you spec :P

good stuff though
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Old 03-17-2004, 05:36 PM   #3
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If I don't do it, who else will?
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Old 03-17-2004, 06:42 PM   #4
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you got alot on your mind, don't you?
right now im doing a report on cancer cells in relation to normal cells, mitosis and the cell cycle


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Old 03-18-2004, 10:05 PM   #5
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Interesting hypothesis, specforces. Where are you looking to find the truth? *scratches chin* Does truth change according to you, or do you change according to truth?
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Old 03-19-2004, 07:05 AM   #6
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Exactly, so what is the "truth."
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Old 03-19-2004, 12:19 PM   #7
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I recall the sophists back in the Greek times that tought the children to believe in what they thought was right, even if other people thought it was wrong. They also tought deception and slyness that got others to believe what they said. These teachings eventually led to leaders such as Pericles who eventually led to the Peloponnesian War and later the ultimate fall of Athens.

It sounds to me that the choice of what is right and wrong leads to an utter downfall. I believe there is a truth, but I have no idea what it is.
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Sophists weren't really true philosophers, they we're opportunists that sold their "knowledge" to the highest bidders, usually kings. But I see what you are saying... the truth is something that is highly debatable...
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Old 03-23-2004, 02:48 AM   #9
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Assuming there is an infinite number of universes, each of us was born for every second of all existence. There are an infinte number of ways for us to live immortally. The odds of this are impossible to quantify, so the only answer can be yes, it's possible. The way the question was asked, there is no way to answer any different.
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perfect fat, thanks for contributing to my threads.

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Old 03-23-2004, 05:24 PM   #11
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You've got awesome threads.
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If only more people would post in them.. thank you.

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Old 03-24-2004, 09:25 AM   #13
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There are as many truths are there are people. The truth can be changed accoring to one's perspective; that's how fragile the truth for a human is.
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There are as many truths as there are people. The truth can be changed simply according to one's perspective; that's how fragile the truth for a human is.
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Old 03-25-2004, 07:14 PM   #15
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well now if you believe that you can only be sure that you are the only real person; hence, every part of your reality is just "you". so wat makes your interpretation of reality, so called "happier", becomes the correct choice.

scamming some guy out of his money, if it makes you happier, then is the correct choice. the only reason that only looking out for self gain wouldnt make you happy would be that you are to weak to fight off our "God-given" illogical emotions.
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Old 03-25-2004, 07:25 PM   #16
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A word of wisdom:especially to you spec,
never trust in what you think is correct, just act upon wat will generally have the best probability of succes.
(specforce, im not trying to bash you down or any thing, its just that intelligent people such as your self tend to make their beliefs too specific.

plz dont message me back saying that then how can you trust in wat i just said.
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