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Old 02-11-2004, 09:03 PM   #1
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Hmmm..Well this is quite the juicy topic, Genetic Engineering holds the secrets to eliminating disease and such. We could even make a race of super humans (note how i said super human NOT SUPER HERO) This woulod basically mean that an egg could be fertilized witht he genes of an olympic athlete. But higher levels in genetic engineering could also lead to higher levels in chemical warfare potency...Also how would these true "test tube" babies feel with no parents???? Would our own creations turn against us?? This is a juicy topic, have fun!
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Old 02-11-2004, 09:12 PM   #2
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well not really...i dont know that athleticism is passed through genes...well it is to a certain degree, but you know...this wont happen because there is no benefit to grow babies of this kind...now eventually when aids has killed us all, which it will becuase it cant be cured and it cant be detected for long periods of time and it spreads like mad, there would be a use for these people...i believe people with a mutated CCR5 docking protein dont allow the hiv to enter their CD4 cells so they are actually immune to aids...so eventually natural selection will kill everyone excpet those with a mutated CCR5 or an artificial one...whatever, im sure no one knows what im talking about anyway
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Old 02-12-2004, 06:08 AM   #3
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The genes can be inserted into the human genome at a very young stage of life while the baby is still in the womb or even before the egg is fertilized, sorry I didn't use the right words!! I meant that the gene would be inserted AFTER the egg was fertilized. We could actually alter athletecism intelligence, and the mutated protein could also be inserted making the baby immune to AIDs/HIV. But the problem is it doesn't always work, they did this to a monkey who is now EXTREMELY intelligent, but it took them close to 27 embryos....and of course they couldn't waste human embryos like this, goddamn catholic church and activists.
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yeah in theory we could if we knew what every gene did...the fact is we dont have a damn clue...there is so much DNA and only about 6% actually codes for protiens, the rest is just garbage...
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Wow, what a pile of shit you posted, makaveli. I bet your teacher gave you a lecture and you are trying to recall it verbatim since you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

And really, if you do, please explain it to me in more detail, from one microbiologist to another so I can grasp a better understanding of what you are attempting to discuss.

Genes hold a lot more power than you realize, and no one still understands it to the full potential. Being good at sports isn't necessarily related to genes, so olympic athletes would still have to train for years to be the best in the world. Their abilities to comprehend and process information for a sport like say basketball could be transmissible, but it is akin to giving someone a piece of paper of all the test answers.

If they don't utilize it, then it doesn't really make a difference.

And it does work. It is just an equation with over 250k different variables, so it takes a while to understand what happens when you change just one part.
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Old 02-12-2004, 06:46 AM   #6
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Thank You Spook, SEE MAKA I DO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!....this time..
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ok so basically you stated what i did in my first response, that athleticism isnt really a trait passed on genes...and if your such a microbiologist what dont you understand...most of the research i did on aids was my own work and it is all fact...do you know that aids is still spreading, do you know we cant stop it, then guess what eventually it will kill everyone as it spreads, its common sense...as for the docking protiens, if you dont know how that works you dont know shit and arent worthy of this conversation...the basis of bringing auds into the picture was that it could be potentially cured by genetic manipulation...is that really hard to understand
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The athleticism itslef can't be transferred but the genes required to BECOME that atheletic (like they say hitting the genetic jackpot) can be inserted along with genes that increase reaction times, agility, etc. traits that you are born with.
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Ok maka, wow me then and cite your sources, or present me with your thesis.. aids isn't going anywhere, it is HIV that is spreading. You know if someone lived in a perfectly sterile enviroment HIV wouldn't kill them? Why is that? What makes that different than a truly terminal disease like ebola?

so what's this docking protein, eh? What is CD4? Where does CD8 figure in? Why doesn't it recognize it as being an infected cell? When is someone considered to have full-blown AIDS? How does this protein "block" HIV from entering a cell?

I'm asking for you to explain it to me to prove you know what you're talking about, because it sounds to me like you're full of shit, so stop getting pissed and screaming and let's hear the explanations for your conclusions.
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Old 02-12-2004, 11:26 AM   #10
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CD4 cells are the backbones of the immune system...they activate CD8 and B cells...CD8 doesnt figure in directly...those, of course are the cytotoxic T cells which are made by the Heltper T cells, the CD4s...HIV attacks the CD4s and then eventually they stop producing CD8s and B cells when infected...CD8 would attack the infected CD4s but it cannot recognzie that the cell is overtaken...without CD8s and B cells, which make antibodies, there is no immune system...that is why people that have aids die from pneumnoia or karposi sarcoma or yeast infections...which are all common indicator diseases that our body easily takes care of everyday...full blown aids occurs when the number drops below 200 CD4 cells per mm cubed of blood...whereas normally you would have 1200 per...as you know im sure, before anything enters a cell it must dock on to the docking protein...you can only get in if you fit the docking protien...HIV fits on the CCR5, but not on the mutated one

btw aids is lethal...100% lethal in fact...if you get aids you will die because of it...not directly but you get the point...its so much more deadly than ebola because it cannot be detected right away and it will be spread before the person knows about it...ebolas symptoms show up within a few days and it can be quarntined and iraticated because of that

ill send you some stuff via a pm if i can find it...i no longer have it on my computer, so ill have to find it and scan it in, and then send it
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Old 02-12-2004, 11:34 AM   #11
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Yeah, but ebola eats you alive...blleechh...*shudders* Ok I'll leave now! ^.^;;
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karposi sarcoma is very bad...looking back at my last post i realized i said CD4s make CD8s and B cells...well, i wasnt thinking, CD4s activate the B cells into plasma cells and the CD8s into Killer T cells...that my fault...oh and the CD4s do this via interleukin II
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Old 02-12-2004, 03:00 PM   #14
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Just like inbreeding, if traits are homogenized too much, a disease will mutate and wipe out a huge population because of the low variation in genetic diversity.
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well spook i dont know what youre really trying to prove but i do know a little about the immune system and how aids affects it...whether i heard these facts from a teacher, a book, a newspaper, or off a website is irrelevant...i know what im talking about...trust me, i wouldnt waste my time researching all of this for nothing
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you can start at CDC.gov
www.AIDS.org
www.unaids.org
www.aidsonline.com
www.hopkins-aids.edu
www.aidsaction.org
www.thebody.com

there are many more, but those are some...i used many resources from newespapers to magazines to biology too btw...


so what i didnt mention before...i said HIV gets into a CD4 cell and hijacks it, but i didnt really say how...its quite an easy thing to uderstand though...HIV gets into the cell and using reverse transcriptase makes a DNA copy of its RNA genome...of course transcriptase is a common protien in humans that makes an RNA copy of our DNA...hence reverse transcriptase...any way it makes a DNA copy of itself and then actullay imbeds thats chunk of DNA into the host cells DNA...it is irreversible...so as basic logic would have it, the best way to stop aids is to not let HIV into your CD4 cells
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To learn what genetic engineering will be like, I think you should look at computers, seeing as we upgrade them frequently, it would resemble humankind with enhancements. We all recieve enhancements to upgrade ourselves, and as we upgrade ourselves, we become better, faster, stronger, and smarter. We will not have the willpower that normal humans have, and our organic selves will be destroyed. Those with money will have the absolute power, and humans will not be able to compete with the enhanced beings. Organic humans will deteriorate, and the older enhanced beings will be nothing but outdated garbage. Everything will depend either on the power of your enhancements or the amount of currency you have. We will have created a new race, a race that can preform amazing feats that humankind couldn't even imagine. So, it's either a good or a bad thing, good if you want to advance science and explore space, and bad if you detest the constant upgrade of computers and the recycling the old, it's your call.
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well spook what do you have to say...i saw you on a few times today...i understand, you better get your story straight before you make a fool of yourself, or ill do it for you...
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