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Old 01-6-2007, 11:02 AM   #81
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JESUS IS NOT GOD.

sherbtail, maybe you should look into other religion's views on god before you say something so idiotic.

Personally, I don't think the Apocalypse isn't going to happen. From a scientific standpoint, the Earth's population is growing so quickly that we're going to overreach ourselves. Eventually, people will just starve off and die. Of course, this is already happening in every country in the world, whether it be homeless people or actual inhabitants. If an Apocalypse does happen, it's not going to be God's wrath - it's going to be man's stupidity. Not saying God doesn't exist, but doesn't the whole Apocalypse thing seem a bit far-fetched to you?

Which brings me to say that the Torah/Bible/Koran/whatever you read is not really much more than stories to teach us how to live by. If you take them literally, then that's your choice and I respect that.

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Old 01-6-2007, 01:57 PM   #82
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Eventually, people will just starve off and die.
Isn't food production increases faster than the population? Money is the reason why most people starve.
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Old 01-6-2007, 02:17 PM   #83
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Isn't food production increases faster than the population? Money is the reason why most people starve.
No, human population is exponential growth while food production is linear. In other words, the human population will keep growing and growing until we overreach the set production of food per year. After all, you can only grow so many crops/kill so many animals.

That is to say unless we either have two children per family just to replace ourselves or find more ways to grow food. While money does play a factor, it's not the only one.

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Old 01-6-2007, 03:38 PM   #84
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angel, that food argument is kind of stupid. if we didn't have enough food to support everyone then some people would die off but the world ending from that? everyone would have to die at the same time for that to happen, which is practically impossible.
edit: also, global warming isn't as bad as everyone would have you believe. even in a worst-case scenario where the earth's average temperature is much higher, people wouldn't die out because people would inevitably adapt.

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Old 01-7-2007, 04:08 AM   #85
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JESUS IS NOT GOD.

sherbtail, maybe you should look into other religion's views on god before you say something so idiotic..
Sorry I was talking from a Christian viewpoint, and in Christianity, Jesus is God, I probably should have made that clear

And also, in most rich countries we've already started having 2 children or less and as more 3rd world countries grow richer they will start having only 2 children too so the worlds population will eventually level out, although its been estimated it'll probably be about 9 billion before this happens
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Old 01-8-2007, 09:21 PM   #86
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TomGirl, I carry about that too. "/
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Old 01-8-2007, 09:27 PM   #87
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I believe there is no God; only a blind faith (not to offend anyone).
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Old 01-9-2007, 12:12 PM   #88
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and can you support this, or do you just have a blind faith that there is no God Oh and Angel Shiyue, I just realised you called me idiotic, that wasn't very nice

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Old 01-9-2007, 05:33 PM   #89
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But what about food, the ecologist/demographer might reasonably reply? Surely population growth is now outstripping increases in food output. Well, no, in fact, it isn't. "Not only over the two centuries since Malthus's time, but also during recent decades, the rise in food output has been significantly and consistently outpacing the expansion of world population." But is this merely because of excess production in the less populated areas of Europe and the U.S.? No, just the opposite. "The largest increases in the production of food--not just in the aggregate but also per person--are actually taking place in the third world, particularly in the region that is having the largest absolute increases in the world population, that is, in Asia."
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nice quote their, people don't seem to realize the starvation is becoming less and less of a problem for humanity, not saying its gone away yet, but a considerable less amount of people die from this. This leads to another myth which is that we are going to become overpopulated because their's to many of us, well people have been saying this for a long time, and it isn't true, what will happen is that technology will grow, and buildings will get taller so more people can fit in a smaller area, we aren't even close to reaching our population limits yet space wise, and won't be in many era's to come. Also in regards to resources aren't exactly going to run out of those either, simply devoople more effective ways of using them ,and start learning how to effectively reuse them. every 10 years for the last 100 years a major sceintist or polictian (like a president) has stated that in 10 years the world will run out of oil, isn't going to happen any time soon, the problem isn't that it is limited, the problem is oil's enviornmental harm when used, and the fact that the countires people buy it from use that money to fund and support terrorism.

Any ways the orignal poster seemed to attack America's competition, well nothing wrong with that, I agree would be better if all humans were perfectly non ambitious, but were not, and therefore to account for that a free market system like we have is the best economic system possible.
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JESUS IS NOT GOD.

sherbtail, maybe you should look into other religion's views on god before you say something so idiotic.

Personally, I don't think the Apocalypse isn't going to happen. From a scientific standpoint, the Earth's population is growing so quickly that we're going to overreach ourselves. Eventually, people will just starve off and die. Of course, this is already happening in every country in the world, whether it be homeless people or actual inhabitants. If an Apocalypse does happen, it's not going to be God's wrath - it's going to be man's stupidity. Not saying God doesn't exist, but doesn't the whole Apocalypse thing seem a bit far-fetched to you?

Which brings me to say that the Torah/Bible/Koran/whatever you read is not really much more than stories to teach us how to live by. If you take them literally, then that's your choice and I respect that.
So you do think it is going to happen? You DON"T think it ISN"T going to happen? <_>~!


Producing food enough to feed the population is not necessarily the problem in itself. You are correct to assume that over population is a problem, but there are much larger problems than actually starving to death.

Statistical growth models show that populations grow and level off according to their development. As such, countries that are undeveloped do not grow, developing countries grow exponentially and developed countries do not grow (More specifically, do not grow means to grow very slowly :P).

Populations develop and then their population levels off, and as such it is possible to support such a population food wise (disregarding political issues.) Also, the USA has almost a 0 natural growth, and many european countries have a negative growth rate. The REAL growth is coming from immigration.


The bigger problem lies in the use of other resources like oil and fuels that cannot be regenerated. We expend resources on this planet constantly at an exponential rate that will not be recovered.

It is rather self evident that the developed countries of the world are going to collapse in on themselves if there are not critical changes made over the next few centuries. We will continue to expend fuels and oils until there is no profit to be made on it. A crisis will likely insure, assuming we don't start thinking ahead.

Fuel in itself is not a big problem, because there are other ways to run an engine using supplies that regenerate. Nuclear power could also easily sustain the planet with ease and efficiency. However, oils are used to make just about...everything. What are we going to do without oil?
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