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Old 12-18-2006, 11:08 PM   #21
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Nice contradiction there.

Yes, race is a concept. However, applying the concept under the definition of 'race', we are not all the same race.

AP is right.

Racism isn't going anywhere.
It's not a contradiction. I stated it was something we made up. It is not by definition that Africans and Europeans are different races. Cats and dogs are different races.

Humans are still humans. Africans are humans. Europeans are humans.

Aside from that, I'm pretty sure we are on the same level of understanding.

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Old 12-18-2006, 11:15 PM   #22
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Racism, opinions of ones race: appearence, "PAST" actions, and culture. Back then, blacks were "called" savages, or curses of God (also an opinion), because of their native culture.The Europeans (mostly white) were Cruel to the Africans "A LONG TIME AGO". The africans at that time did have a reason to be mad at the Englishmen, which is why they revolted, but sadly lost. Todays africans and mexicans who had nothing to do with the wars blame the other people (whites mostly) for the past actions that had never delt any harm or offence (sinse their all dead, or old) because they are the same color of those who were harmed.

Summery, Every one today Black, Mexican, or Spanish, blame white people for something that never happened to them, and think they should be angry at them just because their ancesters fought against their ancesters, and our skin relativity towards theirs. That is why there is racism!

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Old 12-19-2006, 10:44 AM   #23
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It's not a contradiction. I stated it was something we made up. It is not by definition that Africans and Europeans are different races. Cats and dogs are different races.

Humans are still humans. Africans are humans. Europeans are humans.

Aside from that, I'm pretty sure we are on the same level of understanding.

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Yes it is a contradiction.

Look up the definition of race. You can't just start changing the definitions of words when making an argument and try to pass it off as valid.

'race' and 'human' are not the same thing. You are clearly confused here. Human, or Homosapien is a SPECIES. RACES are genetic divisions within a species where members of such races can interbreed with other races in the same species. It's a sub-species.

For the record, cats and dogs are different species, not races.


Yes, all races are still part of the genus Homo, and the species Sapien, but that doesn't mean we are all the same race...which exactly why people still play the race card.

And you can't say that race doesn't exist either, because really, we made up the word to fit our definition of the word, so of course it exists under the context it's being presented in.

I could personally give a rats ass about what 'race' someone is. I don't judge someone by what they look like. But that doesn't mean other people don't, and that doesn't mean there arn't subconscious stereotypes floating around in society.
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:29 AM   #24
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Racism towards any ethnic group isn't right. I've seen people say whites are the most racist, and we are, but we aren't the only racists out there. Some African-Americans use their skin color as an excuse sometimes. I read a story where a resturaunt that accidentally mixed up an African-Americans order got sued. The lady said "You messed up my order on purpose because I'm black!".
Whites need to learn that even though we have a large majority, we aren't the only people out there. With all of this going on a non-racist world is not coming anytime soon.
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Old 12-19-2006, 06:30 PM   #25
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But when a white person wants to show their anglo pride (not supremacy) it is frowned upon and called racist. Oh and Affirmative Action is also a load of crap.
Amen, and Amen... Isnt that what america is all about is the best man for the job? Affirmative Action goes against everything america is for.
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Old 12-19-2006, 07:27 PM   #26
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I have friends off all races. Asian, white, hispanic, black. Even indian and native american. I seriously don't see what the problem is with other races. I go to a school in a hicktown, so alot of people there wear the dixie flag. And alot of people see it as a racial sign. Most people, especially the ones i know, don't wear it like that. They're showing they're pride for being southern. Is there something so wrong with that? No. Hispanics wear their flag proudly. Native americans wear tribal jewelry. And it's seen as pride, but if a white wants to show the dixie flag it's a racial sign? That makes alot of sense. A few years back, my best friends little sister was being shunned because she was best friends with a black girl and a hispanic girl. 10 year olds. Being treated like that. HELLO? Our society has completely gone to hell. What Alucard said is right. This **** is all based on past events. It's a matter of what you've been taught and how you've been taught it. And how open your mind is to new things and ideas. If everyone were openminded, and took the time to look at all sides of an argument, or at least thing about them, this world would be alot more peaceful. So think about it. Look at the other sides of the argument. And think about how stupid it really is to judge someone by the way they look. Now judge yourself by the way you look. And i think you may be surprised to find out how much you actually find.
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:21 PM   #27
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I don't judge someone by what they look like.
Everyone judges people by what they look like to some extent. Except, of course, fully blind people.

Really, it's a proven fact, there's nothing we can do about it.

@Mithril, if we weren't taught it, it'd just happen again, and it'd probably be worse this time. The fact that we are taught it also gives some people the idea that it's "okay" to feel that way.

Well, I'll be honest with you. You don't HAVE to like every race. Just don't open your mouth and cooperate with them anyway and we're all happy. That's the closest we're going to get to getting rid of racism. There's obviously no way to change the way people think to that extent.

So it's okay on a social level to talk about racism but it's not okay to talk about something that applies to a bigger amount of people such as, say, masturbation?

God, what the hell is up with that?

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Old 12-19-2006, 11:33 PM   #28
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Everyone judges people by what they look like to some extent. Except, of course, fully blind people.
They judge people on stratifiable differences. What if some completely random trait like eyebrow thickness became a marker of class: Those with thicker eyebrows are seen as above those without them. Would there be a massive problem of eyebrowism? Yes, because the concept of eyebrow stratification exists.

But, we don't notice that difference because it isn't perceived as a social concept: People are only judged on traits which are sociologically 'visible.' What is 'visible' is usually defined by history and power struggles (i.e. the subjugation of blacks is based on slavery and slave-trading). There is no reason that race has to be one of these sociologically visible concepts. If it is no longer visible, people are no longer evaluated in that regard.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:59 AM   #29
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In all reality when has racism stopped existing? We still have white supremisists, we still have african americans that believe white people are "The man". You can't be stupid and think that racism has ever stopped. That just doesn't make sense, I mean how many crimes are commited by blacks opposed to whites per capitia? If I were to say that outside, I'd be considered a racist. Because obviously the white man is trying to bring down the black man by incarcerating them in the prison system.

You can't sit here and wonder why racism still exists. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about people.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:47 PM   #30
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Oh, I'm sure we all know very well why it exists.

@AP That's a nice idea that I've never really thought about in that way, but it's pretty much impossible to do something about it when looking at it that way. Then again, it's pretty impossible to do something about it looking any way.
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I don't think that is part of this subject.
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Racism towards any ethnic group isn't right. I've seen people say whites are the most racist, and we are, but we aren't the only racists out there. Some African-Americans use their skin color as an excuse sometimes. I read a story where a resturaunt that accidentally mixed up an African-Americans order got sued. The lady said "You messed up my order on purpose because I'm black!".
Whites need to learn that even though we have a large majority, we aren't the only people out there. With all of this going on a non-racist world is not coming anytime soon.
There's a difference between supremacy-type racism and discrimination-type racism, I think. You did bring up a very good point, reverse discrimination is growing. Many groups that are steretypically discriminated against are becoming very agressively defensive towards individuals that have never given a hint of hate towards them. It is sad that they have been pushed to that point, but it has happened. Now, however, the racial majority is feeling that backlash, including many people completely innocent of discrimination or racial prejudice (even if you say that everyone is a little racist, if you do not act on it or discuss your prejudices then I believe you are at liberty to say that you are not racist.) I believe that the black and hispanic communities are not helping thier own cases by in many low-income areas (and this is VERY MUCH GENERALIZING) not being productive members of society and not doing anything about it. Those groups tend to not try and reach out to intergrate with other cultures and sometimes further alienate themselves while at the same times crying "racist" at every misforture. It's a very tricky subject and still very much alive in today's world. Excellent topic for discussion, OP.
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Old 12-28-2006, 06:47 PM   #34
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Yeah, there's no real way to get rid of it, but if we reduce it, it'll make a major difference. On this level, though, I'd say it's more of a problem of comfort than a thing of thinking one race is better than another. Of course we're going to be more comfortable with someone that's similar to us. Say you were talking to someone on the internet you didn't really know. One has a similar interest and another has nothing in common with you. It's pretty obvious that there's more than a 50% chance you'd choose the person who has more in common with you.

As for religion, I don't see why everyone is so bothered by it. Even I, as an Atheist, have had people bother me about it and try to make me believe in their god(s). It's not as if my thoughts change their "reality".

But teachers can get fired for saying anything that feels insulting about religion and race if directed at a person :/ Of course, if it's some lesson about religion, that's different, because then it's likely someone getting offended at people not thinking the same way they do.
i msure we can get rid of racism..
but the thing is alot of ignorant people i nthis world.. dont WANT to get rid of racism and thats what ruins it for the rest of the world.

but i agree with you on the whole religion idea. as a shinto-ist where taught to respect the religions/gods of other people. And im pretty sure that in most other religions its a similiar idea.. i cant understand why people are so bothered and uptight about other peoples religions.
once again we only have these religious problems because of a few ignorant people who refuse to look the otherway..

as for that video. Children shouldnt have to be exposed to this, i use google video everyday and im in the eighth grade.. i wouldnt want my friends to see that, and i certainly wouldnt want my younger brothers to see that.
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