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The thing is, there is nowhere, Biblically, that mentions anything about the way that Satan appears. All the different variations we have on him/her stems from an artist's interpretation. I personally see him along the lines of how he's depicted in the movie "The Devil's Advocate" (not that I think that Al Pacino is the devil, but just the idea visualized in that movie, is more or less how I envision him.) or perhaps how Milton paints him in Paradise Lost. The whole grizzly beast that Satan is in many anti-pagan arts, or grotesque monstrosities that he appears to be in stuff like Dante's Inferno, it's just not how I think of him. |
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Satan is a red dragon with seven heads and 10 horns. |
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I've been pwnt.
Although I believe that part is more or less one not to be taken literally. Partly, because "seven heads." There's rarely a point in the Bible where the number seven is used to actually mean one more than six and one less than eight, but is a number used more or less to mean "many" which is kind of bizarre. Off topic, though. Also written long before there was a Papacy as we knew it, seeing as John the Revelator actually lived in Jesus' life time, so it's not invoking images sacred to other religions so much as it's just painting a picture that most cultures would recognize as a great evil. Anyone else find it weird how large, firebreathing flying lizards seem to be a staple in so many of the ancient world's great works and mythologies, even in places that never had any contact with each other those particular stories were written? |
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We had a topic some time back that discussed the Bible itself, and this website was posted.
http://ffrf.org/quiz/bquiz.php I'll tell you right now that it's an anti-religion website. That doesn't mean their information is wrong. The answers to this quiz come straight out of the Bible. Now you know the answer to #22 =/ |
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*reads a bit on their explaination to the answers*
Seems a lot of their problems stem from things written in the Old Testament which is Jewish law, rather than Christian law, which Jesus had more or less defined as a new starting point making a lot of the Mosaic laws outmoded and no longer practiced. Still, it's an interesting read. I just wish that anti-religion sites were able to take things in context for a change of pace. |
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Join Date: May 2005
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Back to topic, The Devil didn't create Hell, God did. God cast Satan into Hell for punishment. Satan supposedly I guess controls Hell(an assumption by most people? i havent read the bible really) but it probably wasn't intended that way, it just happened because of perhaps free will and the fact that he was the first to be sent there. I may be wrong as im not die-hard religious, but that is what I think.
Why would God kill Satan? Satan is one of God's servants. God has forgiveness for all of his creations, including Satan. During the Apocalypse supposedly all will be saved and allowed to return to Heaven, including Satan himself.
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While I respect you think he is "evil", evil and good are sides of opinions. If you mean the devil is "immoral, unfair, or unjust" then yes, that's taken into account. BY THE WAY...did you know by rearranging the word "SANTA" you can make "SATAN"?
I think I'm on to something ![]()
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Well, I personally believe the devil is evil. If you think about it, and look at the context, the devil himself is not punishing the people, the devil is being punished by God. So anyone who is in hell is in a bad place, because the judgement is coming from God, not the devil. In hell, the devil does not rule, he is a prisoner there for eternity, and the people in hell are prisoners with him, not his "subjects" or "servants". Pretty straightforward.
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Here's an argument that does not have the word "belief" or any of its conjugations (hell, I'm not even Christian, I'm just engaged to a religion major):
It doesn't take an etymologist to see that "Devil" is merely a consonant added to the word "evil". An etymologist could probably explain why the letter "D" preceeds it (my assumption would be because of the word Diablo). Of course, the word "devil" does not always refer to Satan (consider how often it's used plurally). The fact that Satan and "The Devil" makes an argument that he is the epitome of that which devils represent. Now, if we define "evil" as the opposite of good, and God is the supreme goodness, then the being that opposed God in holy war would be evil (opposite...opposed...heh heh). Therefore, The Devil is evil. |
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Who is to say that the devil is a person or a being? Maybe it's the force that works against God. Maybe Satan was just the temptation that overtook the serpent in Genesis. Maybe Satan just categorizes all the temptations Jesus experienced in the wilderness.
That's not my opinion though. Satan does not punish us or rule over hell. He is simply the first being to be cast into hell. Hell is described as a pool of fire, where you experience infinite lonliness. What can Satan do if you never come in contact with him? Satan is simply the cause of all of our temptation and the reason why we can sin today. I would call that evil. |
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It seems like the majority of people here realize that Satan is a prisoner of Hell and not ruler of it.
This makes me wonder why all forms of media portray him as the ruler of Hell rather than what he is: a desperate, bitter fallen creation of God trying to spite his maker by corrupting some of God's other creations. |
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Join Date: May 2006
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i didnt read if people wrote this already but, the devil WANTS you to do bad stuff cus he wants to hurt you/cause pain. therefore devil=evil. take the d outta devil and waddya get?
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You get a bumped thread from two months ago.
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