[Not devonin]

Originally Posted by Antori

woof woof i think mellon's photo rules that out

woof woof? you uh...yeah.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

let it be known that i never defended antori, just tossed out a hypothetical so i could hear other ppl's opinions. and roundbox 180'd on his read on me

also important

I'm a guy who loves some thought experiments, but when I do them I make it clearer that I'm pondering abstractly something I don't necessarily believe or advocate. It felt to me at least, like you were actually suggesting we consider keeping him alive, and so yeah, I get why roundbox would turn his read based on that.

We had to have a conversation about being careful not to waste the day phase by insta'ing him, so if you were just suggesting saving him to see how people felt, that seems like a bit of a 'read the room' moment.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If we don't lynch Antori here, we're doing the same dumb town mistakes as in TPB.

There's no reason to keep an anti-town KP alive and it's guaranteed that we don't mislynch a townie if we lynch him. It's just too good to not do it.

We should be talking about how to handle the event tbh.

I feel like in general, my inclination as town is to stay the ever-loving crap away from anything that inserts randomness into the game. There's already enough randomness to make me uneasy. We've got one confirmed 3p and one claimed 3p, and the claimed 3p said he didn't have a daychat meaning they weren't a 'team' and so I worry that anybody who strongly advocates for playing games where maybe people randomly die are people who only need 1 person to live to win the game.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Mellon_Collie was the only death last night, next to a modkill.

What are odds, this game, with a confirmed wolf team (dragonmega flip), that wolves don't submit a kill.

There's a reason why Antori doesn't go through with the idea I had.

Town should re-read this entire day phase under assumption that Antori is the wolf faction carrying out the wolf kill.

This is interesting if true, because when we lynch Antori, if he's a wolf, that means the wolf team doesn't have anybody who can conceal their kills or presumably mellon's camera wouldn't have worked.

This is interesting if false, because when we lynch Antori, if he's NOT a wolf, that means the town/3p has somebody who can block kills besides Antori (Since he used kill rather than roleblock) or somehow all the wolves aren't playing.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Antori isn't third party. Antori is the wolf.

We'll find out shortly. More important is what we think it means if he is or is not the wolf. For reasons explained above, if he -is- a wolf, I turn to funnygurl next. if he's -not- a wolf, I'm....less sure. Going to post a thing after this about postcounts that hopefully can drive some progress on that front.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

And this entire day phase, everyone played along with Antori being a third party, because that's what Antori told us.

I'm saying to re-read this phase from the point of view that Antori isn't a third party, and is just the vanilla wolf kill. Everyone defending Antori or trying to shoot at angles at viability for Antori look really bad.

You're entering into the 'yeah we get it' phase. I say as I keep quoting these to respond to them :P

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Should probably add that there's basically nothing anyone can say at this point that won't make me un-think that Funnygurl is a wolf. Regardless of whether or not Antori flips wolf or 3p, the lynch should be Funnygurl unless there is some flips during next night phase that play out similar to the current one.

As I mentioned above, if Antori's a wolf I'm right here with you, but if Antori's not, what makes you still dead dead set against FG?

Originally Posted by Daikyi

from the looks of antori's role peek, it looks like he has to submit a kill or die after 3 strikes or something. that's not a wolf role, that's straight up third party, and the entire discussion revolving around this that gs is stirring up stinks of bad town play imo. don't think a wolf gets that caught up in semantics multiple times in a day thinking they're onto something hot like that i think

My read was that he has to do a kill or roleblock a kill, and that he can fail three times before he dies. We have no proof that roleblock is his second thing he can do. I could imagine a way this is a wolf role, but I have no idea if what I'm thinking of is common or feasible. I agree with you that I think gs is probably town, but I don't know if I agree that thinking Antori might be a wolf is obviously bad town play.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I have no idea where devonin sits for me yet, and Funnygurl, well. yeah.

Anything I can comment on, or talk about to help you get a better read on me?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm requesting to be voted as number 9 on the current on-going event, but it's a fairly big gamble on my side.

staaahhhppp. It's not just a big gamble on your side since I think almost everybody is in agreement that you're town. Engaging with randomness that can kill people as town feels like really bad town play to me and makes me suspect you again.

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10

Well if you know that I understand your role pretty well, I want you to think of how to stay alive this game.

Nobody should be thinking of how Antori stays alive, not even Antori. If he's a wolf, I don't want to know the opinion he has on reads on his way to death. If he's 3p I don't know if I can -trust- any of his reads on his way to death, and if he's town I -definitely- can't trust any of his reads because boy oh boy picking mellon_collie to kill when you didn't necessarily even need to kill anybody is not the kind of town play that inspires confidence.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I have a theory that you're also a lost wolf and that you announced your night kill.

How would this work? See previous post for not really getting the whole 'lost wolf' thing. If there's a wolf team and a lost wolf, can they both submit a kill? Does whoever does it first get the kill and the other one's fizzles? The only game I was ever a wolf I was a master wolf, and we all just agreed on a kill and told the host.

Originally Posted by Antori

i dont think that far ahead into the game i sure i would of picked a diffrent target for n2

Originally Posted by flashflash account

This is the right answer
He's town

I don't like the idea that he thinks a good choice to kill as not-a-wolf is somebody he thinks is contributing and that he doesn't think is a wolf. If he actually tried to kill DBP I would have hoped it was either for inactivity (thus why he subbed out) or because he thought he was a wolf (thus shouldn't have changed his attack from me just because I'm 'new') but "I decided to kill a good player, and when the good player got subbed out, I picked another good player" followed by "I didn't bother thinking ahead" when he has a "three strikes you die" mechanic? Even if he's town, he's not playing it very well.