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Old 08-27-2019, 06:26 PM   #15
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Default Re: Difficulty Changes (Changelog)

this probably isnt the right place for this but
Originally Posted by LeKrispyKreme View Post
Elusive Reaches by Ensiferum is a fitting name with a non-fitting difficulty.


A) Not like this is taken into consideration much at all, however It's a 657 notes per minute song with no let up whatsoever.
B)The jump patterns in the song are fast and hard to read. Jumpjacks that are edging on Jumpgluts.
This first two things are only in the first minute of the song mind you.
C) The "Cooldown" isn't really even a cool down it drops from 12 nps to 8 for not very long. Which leads me to my next thing.
D) The streams in the back half are messy and all over the place with jumps thrown in to make the player miss. These are roughly 13 nps.
E) At the peak of the song it's nearing towards 24 nps (probably near the streams cuz those are ungodly).
F) This may not be that important or pressing, but, in the last 34.5 months of this song's release, only 35 have AAA'd it. Whereas all the other songs rated the same difficulty are anywhere form 80-250 AAAs.
G) Going back to the Notes per second thing, it ranges from 12-24 according to the chart with a peak of 745 in a minute.
H) This chart is very clear evidence that hands not only make the song's rating go down, but make it way more difficult as a consequence.
With all these things in mind and in consideration, I think this song should go up to at least a 72. Everything about this chart is a mess, the range of notespeed never really let's up. And finally, there have only been 34 people who've AAA'd the song with an addition 55 who've FC'd the song. These don't really sound like the stats of a song that's just slightly harder than average on the new 120 difficulty scale. It's sounds a bit harder. With it's jumps and streams why not put it in with the 72s or 73s. It fits better there since the 70s seem to mostly focus on Jumpstreams anyways.
These are my thoughts on the chart. Hope it can be taken into serious consideration.


just some notes:
tl;dr this is pretty on par for a high 60.

first, the song is 200 bpm
a good portion of this song is 8th note jumps with a few 16ths sprinkled in. the hardest parts seem to be the denser part near the start (starting at combo 270) and the mixed stream near the end (combo 1550-ish to 1700-ish?). both of these feel within a reasonable margin of 67 given their length, although this were rated slightly higher (68-69) i'd understand.

specific points:

A) for convenience 2226/203 = 10.97 nps. its slightly higher than other songs in its range, but its consistently ~11-12 nps, with few spikes above 14 lasting more than a few seconds looking at the nps graph (just the ones at the end). neurotoxin is another 67 with a similar nps graph, although with a few more breaks.
B) 200 bpm 8th jumps isnt that bad, and is most certainly not what gives this song its difficulty. ievan polkka (65) has the equivalent of 240 bpm 8th jumps at its peak. spider dance (66) has the equivalent of 230 bpm 8th jumps through at least the first section.
C) the solo has several short breaks of just 8th notes, and before the solo there is a decent time window where nothing happens except 2 hands. theres also a section near the middle that is very calm relative to the rest (might be the 8 nps section you mention)
D) the mixed stream is difficult, that's true. it doesnt bring the difficulty into the 70s though. also i dont see any jumps in that stream aside from the last note of one?
E) 24 nps in 1/3 of a second is very common in this range. piano x forte (67), neurotoxin (67), and even maelstrom (62) all hit this. pimp slap (67) hits 30.
F) i agree that thats a low number, but consider that only 555 different people have played it. that means 6.13% of people that have played the song have aaa'd it. 6.27% of people that have played neurotoxin have aaa'd it. only 1.68% of people that have played piano x forte have aaa'd it.
G) again, its higher than other songs in it's range, but its more consistent. also the nps actually ranges from 3 to 18 according to the chart.
H) honest question: what does this mean

67 is well within the range of reason for this chart. the only reason i'd see it go higher is because of it's length, and even then its only by 1 or 2. a consistent 11-12 nps is no problem for a 67, especially with the simple patterns outside of the two hard sections i mentioned earlier. saying this song is a 67 does not mean that it is slightly harder than average. the 120 point scale, as far as i can tell, is pretty arbitrary and is not linear. this chart has only one section with jumpstreams, and it's near the beginning. also the 70s are not just jumpstreams, although more are there than in earlier sections. take for example false white (67), spider dance (66), southern cross (69), etc..

anyways that's my opinion, if im wrong tell me
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Last edited by boomerangbro10; 08-27-2019 at 07:55 PM.. Reason: mid-high 60 -> high 60
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