[the sun fan]

TWG CLXI - Egregious Miscalculations
Postgame thread

Hosted by: roundbox
Wolves Win
MVP: N/A

1. Hakulyte Werewolf Parity Cop, Won at Endgame
2. AragakiAyase ShadoWolfe Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
3. R.E. Aryxi Town Parity Cop, Modkilled d1
4. Charu Miller, Killed n1
5. dAnceguy117 Werewolf Vengeful, Lynched d2
6. danceflashrevo Werewolf Fruit Vendor, Won at Endgame
7. MixMasterLar Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
8. choof mellonxcollie Vanilla Town, Killed n2
9. storn42 Innocent Child, Killed n3
10. dadcop2 Vanilla Town, Lynched d3
11. T-Force Vanilla Town, Lynched d0
12. Pazzaz Town Fruit Vendor, Lynched d1
13. FreezinIce Vanilla Town, Killed d2

Host Comments:

n/a

TWG CLXII - Lucidity
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Yoshl
Town Wins
MVP: n/a

1. storn42 - won endgame
2. roundbox - won endgame
3. xelnya - won endgame
4. indheart - won endgame
5. juckter1 - PPAP'd D1 (Dreamer)
6. freezinice - Sent to hell D2 (Dreamer)
7. mixmasterlar - Lynched D4 (Nightmare)
8. arntonach - Lynched D1 (Dreamer)
9. lurker - Lynched D2 (Nightmare)

Host Comments:

n/a

TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Tokzic
Wolves Win
MVP: ShadoWolfe

1. j-rodd - CHAOS WOLF, Lynched d3
2. inDheart - JAILKEEPER, Killed n1
3. thesunfan - VT, Killed n3
4. Raeko - VT, Lynched d5
5. Meno - VT, Lynched d4
6. ShadoWolfe - MASTER WOLF, Won at Endgame
7. Vendetta21 - GREENMASTER, Killed n4
8. AragakiAyase - VT, Killed n2
9. XelNya - SABOTAGE WOLF, Lynched d1
10. Hakulyte - VT, Lost at Endgame
11. R.E. Aryxi/Xiz - PINK RANGER, Lynched d2

Host Comments:

Shadow GOAT. Had some bumpy phases - during the phase j-rodd was lynched, deadchat was sure that his 180 on J-rodd was going to give him away. And indeed, Haku made a huge effortpost that nailed him on it. But Shadow made some astoundingly real emotional responses the following day that made nearly everyone second-guess themselves, and slid away from the top of lynch lists every time. Well played.

TWG CLXIV: Classics Man
Postgame thread

Hosted by: inDheart
Wolves Win
MVP: n/a

1. XelNya - Vanilla Town, LOST at endgame
2. Charu - Vanilla Town, killed Night 1
3. AragakiAyase - Vanilla Town, killed Night 2
4. MixMasterLar - Town Jailkeeper, LOST at endgame
5. Prophylaxis - Vanilla Wolf, WON at endgame
6. roundbox Wineandbread - Vanilla Town, LOST at endgame
7. ShadoWolfe - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 3
8. mellonxcollie - Vanilla Town, killed Night 1
9. Witch of Certainty - Town Vigilante, lynched Day 2
10. TWG Jade Harley - Vanilla Wolf, WON at endgame
11. thesunfan - Wolf Roleblocker, WON at endgame
12. DaBackpack - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 1
13. Hakulyte - Vanilla Town, killed Night 3

Host Comments:

n/a

TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me
Postgame thread

Hosted by: AragakiAyase
Game Cancelled
MVP: N/a

1. Charu
2. Gradiant ShadoWolfe - Vanilla Town, killed Night 2
3. YoshL - Innocent Child, killed Night 3
4. thesunfan
5. mellonxcollie - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 2
6. Hakulyte
7. Lightknight924 - 1-Shot Cop, killed Night 1
8. litodude
9. FreezinIce
10. inDheart - Vanilla Town, lynched Day 1
11. choof wineandbread
12. Tokzic - Town Tracker, lynched Day 0
13. roundbox

Host Comments:
N/a

TWG CLXVI: Fall Of An Empire
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Tps222
Wolves Win
MVP: FreezinIce & DaBackPack

1. Soundwave- Vanilla Town, Lynched d2
2. TyrantNeptune the sun fan Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
3. FreezinIce Vanilla Wolf, Won at Endgame
4. Lightknight Vanilla Town, Lynched d1
5. mellonxcollie Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
6. tokzic Vanilla Town, Killed n3
7. Dabackpack Vanilla Wolf, Won at Endgame
8. Hakulyte Seer, Killed n2
9. DanikaBanana Vanilla Town, Killed n1
10. evanescence Master Wolf, Won at Endgame
11. roundbox Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
12. danceflashrevo Psychic, Lost at Endgame
13. Choof Vanilla Town, Lynched d0
14. flashflash account Vanilla Town, Lynched d3

Host Comments:

Sorry for the late post game guys, I was traveling for Easter and didn't see that this got insta-finished until way later.

Congrats to FreezinIce, DaBackPack and Evanescence_death4ever for playing a masterfully dominant wolf game. Out of thread chat is a different animal when it comes to manipulating people's perception of you, and you all navigated that minefield very well. I'll make a point to grab some highlights from the wolf chat soon (or publicly archive it if the demand is there).

Hakulyte was planning on seering Eva on the night he was killed which would have been interesting.

Tokzic fake claiming seer was fun to see how that played into the frenzy at the end of Day 3.

Apologies for not delivering the narrative and more organization surrounding this game, some unexpected real life things came up and ate away a lot of my time. The next time I host something like this I will probably wait to get 16 and add in the guardian for the humans.

DBP/Freezin split MVP for being at or near the top of the towns read list for most people. Props to Eva for juggling a cross country trip with being masterwolf in a TWG game.

Haku's gamble of claiming seer to a lot of people almost worked out, but the wolves got lucky and somehow didn't get pressured when they hinted at knowing that Haku had previously claimed.

Inactivity kind of clouded this one a bit and I'm going to be thinking of ways to prevent that in future games hosted. Thanks to TheSunFan for hopping in late there.

TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed
Postgame thread

Hosted by: thesunfan
Wolves Win
MVP: DarkManticoreX2

1) Hakulyte Sully, Town Neighbor, Killed N1
2) flashflashaccount Cordelia, Town Neighbor, Modkilled pregame confirmation phase
3) inDheart Miriel, Town Mathematician, Lost at Endgame
4) MixMasterLar Cherche, Wolf Light Sleeper, Won at Endgame
5) Cold Kitten Celirra Donnel, Zero-to-Hero Lynched D3
6) XelNya Lissa, Vanilla Wolf, Lynched D1
7) roundbox Panne, Vanilla Town, Killed N1
8) Xiz Say'ri, Wolf Muckraker Won at Endgame
9) Tokzic Charu Anna, Gambler Killed N4
10) tiloco217 Nowi, Town Fortune Teller Lynched D4
11) DarkManticoreX2 Maribelle, Wolf Scribe Won at Endgame
12) blindreper1179 Sumia, Vanilla Town Lynched D2
13) mellonxcollie Wayward Vagabond Tiki, Town Reporter Lost at Endgame
14) DaBackPack Tharja, Killed D3
15) LightKnight924 Olivia, Town John Doe, Lynched D0
16) Soundwave- Libra, Vanilla Town Lost at Endgame
17) FreezinIce Flavia, Vanilla Town Killed N2

Host Comments:

Wolves coordinated well; town didn't. The better team won this game, no doubt about it. Gambler was underutilized, and that breaks my heart. Another well-deserved MVP to Manti for an excellent wolfing performance.

TWG CLXVIII: Capitalism
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Xiz
Town Wins
MVP: thesunfan

1) Jumpluff Soundwave- (Alibaba Group) Godfather, Modkilled d4
2) Adam33 (Amazon) Vanilla Town, Killed n2
3) inDheart (Apple) Vanilla Town, Killed n1
4) wineandbread (China Mobile) Vanilla Town, Killed n2 (Was Acquired n1)
5) lurker (Disney) Vanilla Town, Killed n1
6) storn42 (Facebook) Doctor, Killed n3 (Was Acquired n2)
7) blindreper1179 (GE) Vigilante, Killed n3
8) Gradiant (Google) Vanilla Town, Modkilled d4
9) FreezinIce Wayward Vagabond XelNya (IBM) Blocker, Lynched d4 (Was Acquired n3)
10) Tokzic Antronach Vanilla Wolf, Lynched d3
11) Funnygurl555 (McDonalds) Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
12) T-Force (Microsoft) Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
13) Charu (Shell) Cop, Won at Endgame
14) DaBackPack (Starbucks) Deal-Breaker, Won at Endgame
15) Celirra (Toyota) Vanilla Town, Modkilled d2
16) mellonxcollie (UPS) Bulletproof Wolf, Lynched d0
17) Stink (Verizon) Roleblocker Wolf, Lynched d1
18) flashflash account (Visa) Vanilla Town, Modkilled d2
19) roundbox (WalMart) 1-shot Bulletproof Acquisitioner, Killed n1
20) the sun fan (Wells Fargo) Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame

Host Comments:

Imagine watching afk's do nothing
Imagine all afk's being wolves
Imagine knowing that each replacement fucks up the Aq role pretty much, but you cant modkill because thats the entire wolf team

Then the modkills.

This was like a host's wort nightmare.

I'd say town did well but, this was like a twg tutorial for town or something.

TWG CLXIX: TWGabout Revolution
Postgame thread

Hosted by: roundbox
Wolves Win
MVP: N/A

1. thesunfan Unimportant Witness, convicted during recess Night 2.
2. Xelnya Unimportant Witness, convicted in trial on Day 3.
3. FreezinIce Trucy Wright, convicted during recess Night 2.
4. blindreper1179 Unimportant Witness, convicted in trial on Day 4.
5. lurker Charu Kristoph Gavin, WON at endgame.
6. sanzath Unimportant Witness, convicted during recess Night 1.
7. flashflash account Unimportant Witness, ejected from courtroom on Day 0.
8. Hakulyte Unimportant Witness, LOST at endgame.
9. DarkManticoreX2 Manfred von Karma, WON at endgame.
10. MixMasterLar Franziska von Karma, convicted in trial on Day 0.
11. mellonxcollie Gregory Edgeworth, convicted in trial on Day 1.
12. Hateandhatred Shelley de Killer, convicted in trial on Day 2.
13. inDheart Unimportant Witness, LOST at endgame.
14. Makilaz Unimportant Witness, LOST at endgame.
15. Xiz Ema Skye, convicted during recess Night 4.
16. Wayward Vagabond Unimportant Witness, convicted during recess Night 3.
17. storn42 Unimportant Witness, convicted during recess Night 1.

Host Comments:

MVP: None

I felt like both teams had decent players and plays, but this did feel like another wolf win that was partially earned by the wolves being sneaky and also because town was being very, very lazy after the SK was offed. Yes, it was cool having a free anti-town peek but that doesn't mean there aren't other anti-towns waiting to be found.
Special mentions go out to:
lurker, who had a pretty good performance for the wolves until he had to replace out. thesunfan, who baited a NK hard
inDheart, who had that WIM on the final phase of the day only to get bopped by wolfrush
Charu and Manti for getting that WOLFRUSH

Other player comments:

Xel - You felt pretty absent this game, and I take it you got pretty busy partway through and couldn't keep up. rip

Freezin - Projected town hard up until the claim, and you did everything you could. I'm not 100% sure why you picked HH as your target, maybe you could explain it? In the event town had a vigi, there's a decent chance they might have shot him since he was 2nd on the wagon. I don't think anti-town has an incentive to kill him, even if he wasn't the SK.

blind - You tried to have a big dick, but then the wolves collectively stomped on it. Wouldn't recommend.

sanzath - Welcome to the n1 club!

ffa - Stop dying pls, you're very towny when you're town

Haku - Had some pretty clear thoughts and a level head towards endgame, which would have helped town if Makilaz/blind weren't in a super thunderdome.

MML - Not posting got you killed.

mellonxcollie - I think the vest power is much stronger, but I don't think you were getting NKed the way you were playing this game. You did get lucky on the last voter, but you did use your power as intended. Fun fact: both manti and HH were the last two on your wagon. HH's late vote got him outed instead of manti.

HH - Bad luck, dude. Like other said, you should focus on wolfy targets since they're your biggest threat in the game. You killing sunfan doesn't really help you as SK.

Makilaz - Prolific poster award! I think Charu brought up a fair point about the aggression. I think you get a bit too OMGUS and tunnely when people call you a wolf, which seemed to come out this game.

Xiz - Not sure why you didn't watch Freezin or sunfan the night after they claimed.

WV - A case of the busy after game start. You did a decent job though and got pegged for being a potential threat, so that's cool.

storn42 - n1 life

TWG CLXX Anything but Nekopara
Postgame thread

Hosted by: thesunfan
Town Wins
MVP: DabackPack

1) blindreper1179 Lynched D2, Mafia Godfather
2) Gradiant Won at Endgame, Doctor
3) xXOpkillerXx Killed N3, Vanilla Town
4) Celirra Killed N1, Investigation Immune Serial Killer
5) DarkManticoreX2 Killed N2, Vanilla Town
6) Xiz Lynched D0, Vanilla Town
7) Sanzath Won at Endgame, Vanilla Town
8) roundbox Killed N3, Vanilla Town
9) Yoshl Killed N1, 1-shot Doctor
10) Charu Lynched D1, Cop
11) lurker mellonxcollie FreezinIce Mafia Roleblocker, Lynched D4
12) Wayward Vagabond Lynched D3, Mafia Goon
13) DaBackPack Killed N4, Vigilante

Host Comments:

DBP MVP btw since I didn't say that.
Def his best town performance imo even though it wasn't flawless, he still very clearly led town to victory and it wouldn't have been possible without him.

TWG CLXXI - The Reaper's Game
Postgame thread

Hosted by: T-Force
Wolves Win
MVP: Xiz

1) the sun fan Vanilla Town, Lynched d1
2) Hakulyte Vanilla Town, Killed n3
3) XelNya Game Master, Lynched d2
4) blindreper1179 Vanilla Town, Lynched d3
5) Gradiant Wayward Vagabond Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
6) Celirra Vanilla Town, Lynched d4
7) MixMasterLar Proxy's Partner, Lynched d0
8) roundbox Proxy, Killed n2
9) Xiz Conductor, Won at Endgame
10) Hateandhatred Vanilla Town, Killed n1
11) LightManticoreX2 Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
12) DaBackPack Vanilla Town, Killed n4
13) FreezinIce Rapta Harrier Reaper, Won at Endgame

Host Comments:

MVP to Xiz for playing a really solid game, especially during the final couple day phases.



Thank you to all the players who participated in my insane desire to play my favourite video game in a TWG format. A lot of flavour came from 'The World Ends With You' and I will (happily) go into detail about what I did that, in my opinion, added to it.

TWG CLXXII: TWGood End!
Postgame thread

Hosted by: TWG Jade Harley (FreezinIce)
Town Wins
MVP: AragakiAyase

1. Blindreper1179 > VT, Killed N3
2. Shadowolfe > Dark Contractor, Killed N1
3. InDheart > VT, Survived to Win
4. mellonxcollie > Eternalisk Beta, Killed N3
5. kirkfan2255 > Savior, Killed N1
6. Charu > Alien, Survived to Lose
7. the sun fan > VT, Killed N1
8. DaBackpack > Superstar, Survived to Win
9. AragakiAyase > Mysterious Variable X (Transmorpher), Survived to Lose
10. Yeti/TWG Ike > VT, Survived to Win
11. Hakulyte > Informant, Lynched D4
12. Xelnya > VT, Lynched D1
13. Roundbox > Deathdealer, Lynched D3
14. DarkManticoreX2 > VT, Lynched D2

Host Comments:

Host Comments: Most of my thoughts for the game can be found in the analysis section of deadchat. To summerize...

D1: Things start off kind of bad for the wolfteam and town. Roundbox is MIA which is never good, and Haku is having trouble replicating his towntone which sets people off that something isnt right. Town posts a lot of irrelevant stuff and fights over small things, which makes digging and finding content hard. Xelnya said it best: A lot of the early stuff was NAI and not useful.

Town lacks leadership and direction, so a xelnya lynch materializes despite several people voicing misgivings. DBP forces a thunderdome between blind/xelnya, which ends pretty badly. Shado comes back and drops Haku into a silent kitb with Xelnya, which thankfully works out in the wolves favor.

Haku had a pretty god awful eod, he looked like he was blatantly trying to make himself look better by getting off the xel wagon and more than a few people picked up on it. I would say had dbp not called for votes to stay within xel/blind, haku would have died that day. However, Shado voting him buys Haku a ton of leeway later on after Shado flips.

TWG CLXXIII: A Man Standeth Straight
Postgame thread

Hosted by: the sun fan
Town Wins
MVP: star-crossed

Signups:
1) inDheart Killed Night Zero, Vanilla Town
2) roundbox Killed Night Three, Tracker
3) kirkfan2255 Killed Night Two, Vanilla Town
4) FreezinIce ShadoWolfe, Won at Endgame, Vanilla Town
5) mellonxcollie Won at Endgame, Vanilla Town
6) blindreper1179 Killed Night Two, Vanilla Town
7) DaBackPack Lynched Day Four, Vanilla Wolf
8) star-crossed Won at Endgame, Vanilla Town
9) Charu Lynched Day One, Vanilla Wolf
10) XelNya Lynched Day Two, Vanilla Town
11) Gradiant Killed Night Three, Vanilla Wolf
12) dAnceguy117 Won at Endgame, Vanilla Town
13) Hakulyte Killed Night One, Vanilla Town
*No lynch occurred on Day Three

Host Comments:

Aite

Just gonna go through general thoughts on the game, might have a little bit of a line for everyone too.

I do want to say beforehand that I read a grandtotal of 0 private logs between players so whatever happened in private is almost certainly unknown to me. As such, I will only talk about what I know happened or about mechanics so long as I can do so.

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n0 mostly speaks for itself; its a guessing game all around. Wolves did what most people would do; picked a SPK that could be a PR and went with it. blind seered probably the hardest person to read in the game and the wolves yolo'd the wizard 0rb a bit. All is fine there.

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d1, the game becomes a lot harder for me to understand. blind claims his red to haku and says that he's going to claim it at a specific time. Haku, presumably bored more than anything else, decides to out the check ahead of time. This is bad all around. The only reason that blind would ever hold onto a red like that would be to see Charu's interactions without the pressure of a red check, which is fine. Its not really something I think is really worth doing on a player like Charu on d0, but its by no means a bad plan. Haku claiming ahead of time completely took that away from the game for no real game related reason.

I've debated whether or not I was going to chastise blind for claiming that to Haku when just about any other player would've been a safer choice of confidant, and I did say it was a bad idea in deadchat, but I think I've since reconsidered. I cannot fault someone for assuming that another player would not blow up a check like that for no real reason despite Haku's history.

So, the red check is out, Charu knows he's probably dead, blind is pissed at Haku, and the wolves decide to put in motion a play that I need some justification for, because I really don't fully understand it.

My understanding of the play was that DBP thought that he could get away with lynching blind by arguing that blind lied about his check. DBP and at least Charu from what I understand believed that this is something that towns would more than just consider as something that blind would do.

Now, I want to make an aside here as this is something that I think really perplexes me. I get that sometimes people shit on blind for not necessarily being the best player here. But assuming that someone will lie about the results of their check out of stubbornness is like... beyond the realm that anyone has ever assumed about the skill level of a player on this site. If this is truly what the wolves had in mind for their plan, then I think there's a 0% chance that it would've worked. When blind flips, because in that scenario he /is/ the correct lynch, Charu always either gets vigi shot or lynched the next day, almost certainly followed by DBP. That's a terrible plan for the wolves because no town member will ever believe that blind, or really anyone, would lie about being roleblocked out of sheer stubbornness.

But that's not what happened. DBP claimed that he roleblocked blind, and there was a fight. I don't want to beat this to death because it is something that I don't think any of us enjoy talking about (lol I've typed a shitload on it oops), so I'll touch on a few points here.

1) I should've modkilled blind. I was a huge supporter of the rule that says that publicly asking for a replacement will result in a modkill. I should have upheld this rule. For whatever reason, it was not in my mind at the time, and it should've been especially later on when I think Yoshl pointed out to me that blind should've been modkilled.

2) This kind of reaction from blind was largely because of the frustration he felt with DBP continuously shitting on him as a scumread in games, I understand that. I do want to say that I think the reaction was largely unwarranted. I get that it was emotional because it was a cc battle, but in this situation, if I am in blind's spot, I advocate for my own lynch and am happy to do so. Trading myself for, in my eyes, two wolves, is always a trade I will take 8 days a week, and I think blind got a little caught up in the moment (which is completely understandable). This is why DBP should have, in my opinion, gotten more flak for claiming that he blocked blind. Its not a play you can really do as a reaction test as the play for a lot of people is "Lol, 2 wolves for me, a VT? Yeah, you guys can kill me first idc." The most interesting part about it was even when blind was having that reaction, and even after he had left discord and people thought he was going to be replaced, DBP still held the claim. That should've shown that he was serious about holding his claim.

3) The state of the game when blind had left the discord was a little bit weird. I don't think the game should've been paused, and if I hadn't been out at the time, I would've worked to resolve the state of the game as fast as possible. Unfortunately, the game was in a limbo-state while I was gone and I think that took away from the game a little bit unfortunately.

Either way, blind doesn't get replaced, and DBP eventually rescinds the claim, and Charu is lynched.

(but not before XelNya defends him looooooooooooooool)

Another thing that I couldn't really work in anywhere that I think is really fucking funny to me is that Gradiant had just finished saying that he really hates wolfing by himself (alluding to Perfect Blowjob when he solo wolfed for almost all of the game and won) and that he didn't want to do it this game, and literally minutes later and on the same scroll page in discord DBP says he wants to try and save Charu by claiming that he blocked blind. I mostly just think this situation is funny, but I was confused as to why Gradiant let DBP try that plan if he didn't want to be in a situation where he would wolf by himself because that's exactly what would happen if DBP held his claim.

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Alright, Charu down, we get to n1. Seer 0rb to Freezin, Wizard 0rb to Gradiant, vigi 0rb to Xel.

My first reaction to seeing Xel get the vigi 0rb was "Oh man, he might actually shoot blind... that would be awful." Thankfully, that didn't happen and we instead got a rather comedic doublestack on Haku.

Seering dAnceguy is whatever, Freezin's reads at that point were I think 0/3 and I think that helped clear up some confusion for him (though his reads were still mostly off after that).

Wolves were debating their night actions more this night than any other, and I think for good reason. The nightkill here really matters, and if you hit the tracker, then you win the game a lot more of the time.

Interestingly, Haku had told DBP(?) in private that he was the tracker, and the wolves believed it (which is... neither bad or good I think).

I've thought about this a good bit, and I say this as someone that likely wouldn't have gotten there if I was a wolf, but I think what the wolves needed to look at was the lasts time haku was a power role in an OOTC game, he told everyone and their mother. He told so many people that people were mad at him. There was zero ruckus about Haku claiming to people privately this game, and I think that's what the wolves needed to pick up on, even though its rather hard to realize and I don't think I would've realized it myself.

Secondly, and this is the easier and safer option here, if haku told me that privately, I would always bring this to blind because

a) it makes me look better regardless of my alignment (even though I'm a wolf in this scenario)

b) it could potentially out the real tracker or confirm haku as real and allows my team to make a better, more informed nightkill choice

Either way, none of those things happened, and the wolves killed haku, and its hard to fault them too much for doing so.

They decided to roleblock roundbox because I forget why and its not really too important why I think.

So we have a green seering on danceguy, a block on roundbox and a doublestack on hakulyte, which really, really is an interesting combination that I think will exceedingly rarely happen if you run this game many, many times over.

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Freezin outs the green on danceguy very quickly, no problems there.

Xel outs the (rather bad imo) vigi on Haku, no problems there aside from the vigi choice is rather bad but w/e.

Gradiant claims the block on roundbox, and the biggest problem I have with the wolfteam here is that Gradiant continued to bus DBP for imo, no real reason. Yes, it creates distance, and distance if why it was so hard for town to put all the pieces together late game, but it looks forced (or at least I am quite sure it would've looked this way to me if I were in the game) when you're calling someone scummy for the same reasons as before despite compelling mechanical evidence that roundbox is a wolf (from what should be your POV as a wolf; obviously he knows that roundbox is not a wolf). I think, in this situation, you want to try and lynch roundbox because it will never look bad for you if you do so. You have a perfectly good reason for why he would be a wolf because a doublestack there is rather ridiculous (despite it being what happened) and a no kill is absolutely, positively a terrible decision for the wolves.

This is part of what I think the most confusing part of the game is for me. I have no idea how people rallied behind the fact that the wolves could've no killed, and after thinking about it a lot, I think I have to chalk it up to OOTC being powerful. blind appeared to be quashing the idea that roundbox could be a wolf despite the compelling mechanical evidence, and I guess that's what saved roundbox there. inDheart and I were rather perplexed when roundbox didn't instantly claim tracker and say "THERE'S BULLSHIT ABOUT WITH THE NIGHT ACTIONS," but I think I have to give credit here where it is due and say that blind et al(?) did a good job preventing the roundbox lynch from ever starting up (bar Freezin) and partially because the wolves imo missed a big opportunity by deciding to push elsewhere instead of trying to kill roundbox (with Gradiant calling roundbox his #2 and DBP hard defending roundbox).

I want to take the time here to talk about why a no-kill is an awful idea for the wolfteam and why, as such, town should not have been seriously considering it as an idea, and even if it /was/ worth considering, why it was still mishandled.

Lets start with something that I think DBP brought up which, imo, hit the nail on the head. Wolves are incredibly decentivized to no-kill in order to set up a lynch because of the 2/9(?) chance that the wizard 0rb holder blocks a wolf and then the wolves both lose a nightkill and a member for literally zero gain. If this ever happens, I will confidently say that I have never seen worse wolf play in forum mafia. Taking the gloves off for a second, there is no way that anyone should ever think the idea is remotely worth considering. I get that roundbox was between two very unlikely worlds, but the doublestack is, though still ridiculous, the more likely world just because of how absolutely unbelievable the alternative is.

Something that I think no one brought up that is another reason why wolves should never no kill there is the rather obvious fact that it removes a kill from the numbers. Now, in certain situations, this is a perfectly neutral thing to do. However, in a game where items are randomly distributed to players and two of those items seer or kill players, the wolves have to work fast and clean. Making a no-kill is not fast, and has the potential to be extremely messy.

Lets ignore my last two points and say that town is in the world that the wolves performed no kill. Lets say they somehow know that haku wasn't doublestacked and the only situation that is explicable is that the wolves sent in no kill. In this situation, you never, ever lynch Xel that day and probably ever.

Xel is the only visible KP that was applied the previous night. If Xel has the vigi 0rb, his vigikill never, ever fucking stacks with the wolfkill if he is a wolf. There's actually zero reason to ever do that when there are probably at least 10 alternative plays that are better just mathematically. If you believe that the wolves nokilled, then why would they send in one kill via vigi 0rb but not a wolfkill... two kills plus a lynch is almost always better than one kill plus a lynch of the wolves choice. When you think about this, it would seem that roundbox would be the kill town should make, but its actually not that either.

In this situation, its still ridiculous for wolves to have no killed at risk of losing a member for no gain. Because of this, if you believe/know that no kill is what the wolves sent, then they only ever make that play when there is zero risk of being blocked by the wizard 0rb, and that only ever happens when they possess the wizard 0rb that night. So in this situation, you actually lynch Gradiant.

But, that didn't happen. Town believed that no-kill happened as opposed to roundbox being blocked when he made a wolfkill or a doublestack occurring.

I do want to say that I do think it would be rather difficult to get to a doublestack occurring. Its kind of like in poker having to decide whether your opponent has three of a kind or four of a kind when you have a full house. Its a really messy situation and because it both happens rarely and has many stipulations that must be accepted, its a very hard call to get right.

I don't want to say that I think town misplayed too terribly by thinking that there was a no-kill because the most logical situation that roundbox's wolfkill was blocked was being quashed by pseudo confirmed town blind, and the two alternatives are rather strange. What I do want to focus on was that Xel was the wrong lynch there if you believed no-kill occurred.

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Anyways, Xel is lynched and the next night begins without roundbox claiming tracker. Seer 0rb to Gradiant, wizard 0rb to star-crossed and vigi 0rb to mellon.

Gradiant had a roleread on raeko for a while and since wolves really need to go ahead and deal with blind since he is causing problems by being alive and coordinating things, they kind of have to kill him. A perfectly fine check for the wolves and they, of course, lied about the result and Gradiant was able to stop reversing and driving the bus over DBP.

star-crossed blocks kirkfan who, in my opinion, if she is a wolf, rarely sends in the wolfkill as she is probably not the deepest wolf, but whatever. Not too big of a point but I think there were better targets. if star was instructed to block kirkfan (which I don't think happened but if it did), then obviously I cannot fault her for this decision at all, and its a very minor thing anyways.

raeko vigis kirkfan, which is kinda fine imo as she wasn't really doing anything and if she is a villager she is the least impactful villager at this point. I think blind instructed raeko to shoot neither Gradiant or DBP which is funny, but I think also correct if he was coordinating night actions. If not, its just funny.

Wolves send DBP to nightkill blind, and I think this was a mistake if blind was coordinating actions as Gradiant would never get blocked there and basically has a free nightkill whereas there is a nonzero chance that DBP is wizarded.

Anyways, it didn't matter as kirkfan was blocked and the day begins with blind and kirkfan flipping VT.

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Gradiant claims the green on raeko in wolfchat instantly and outs the green on DBP right after. Fine.

star-crossed claimed the block on kirkfan at some point idr when, doesn't matter too much when.

raeko claims the shot on kirkfan again I don't remember when but it doesn't really matter much.

This is where I think the wolves needed to make it or break it. roundbox claims tracker very early on, that takes away from the person they were going to try and lynch the most. This situation seems like it is bad luck, but I think more than anything else, the wolves were punished for not taking the push on roundbox when they were given the chance.

Their lynches are really thin at this point. Raeko is pseudo confirmed via private chat shenanigans, danceguy was seered green, freezin seered him green and star-crossed has been posting really cleanly through the whole game. In this spot, you really need to find a crack and capitalize on it. You need to try and force OOTC shenanigans in your favor or take down someone else who is getting cleared from them. I think wolves should've been trying really hard to do this, and they weren't. No lynch also really helped town and I think wolves either needed to find a way to convince roundbox that the plan was bad or something similar, because their chances of winning go down a lot without a mislynch on someone that day

At 7 alive, sleeping here is fine with 2 wolves for town. vigi 0rb cycling means that the numbers probably end up odd instead of even, and that's what you want in a day phase. It forces town to lynch the next day, but that's fine as you likely want to do that anyways.

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Seer 0rb to DBP (useless for the wolves, but good for them that town didn't get it), wizard 0rb and vigi 0rb swap holders from the night before.

DBP could've seered anyone and he knew it (he tried to seer himself since he knew it didn't matter), ultimately he seered Shado, which was fine.

raeko blocked shado which... surprises me. I'd have to hear why she did that.

star-crossed is instructed to kill Gradiant, which I think spelled doom for the wolves ultimately.

Wolves sent DBP to kill roundbox, and I think that is more correct than sending Gradiant there because of Gradiant's green on DBP.

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Day begins with roundbox flipping tracker and gradiant flipping wolf, and at this point the game is basically over.

Props to DBP for throwing the hail mary and greening shado, which I think increases the win % chance because the tide at the time was pushing for his lynch, and it was an attempt to change the tide. Honestly, it was pretty smart, it just narrowed the pool too small to really work out, but it was a good idea.

I'm not going to go through the exact math here and I think DBP already worked it out in wolfchat, but the chances of town winning are extremely high at that point in the game and it'd be a pain in the ass to say the 100000 reasons why that's the case when this post is already really fucking long.

I think DBP conceding there is fine, he probably would've been lynched that day and had more important matters IRL to focus on.

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There's some more I want to say, and I definitely made a few mod mistakes this game that I want to talk about, but I think I'm gonna take a break for now.

I'll talk about each player's individual game later on as I feel like just focusing on the mechanics left a whole bunch of really good stuff out.

TWG CLXXIV: Sounds Like You've got a Problem.
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Charu
Wolves Win
MVP: --

roundbox - Regular Wolf - WON AT END
Wayward Vagabond - LYNCHED D0 BY KitB
Gradiant Xelnya - Innocent Child - MURDERED N4
Funnygurl555 - MURDERED N1
the sun fan - Doctor - MURDERED N3
mellonxcollie - Wolf Roleblocker - LYNCHED D2 BY KitB
MixMasterLar - LYNCHED D3
blindreper1179 - LYNCHED D1
inDheart - LOST AT END
T-Force - LOST AT END
reuben_tate Hakulyte - Regular Wolf - WON AT END
Wineandbread - LYNCHED D4
DarkManticoreX2 star-crossed - 1-Shot Vigi - MURDERED N2

Host Comments:

N/A

TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland
Postgame thread

Hosted by: TWG Jeff Probst (raeko and roundbox)
Survivor Saboteurs Win
Sole Survivor: DaBackpack

Survivor Hopefuls
1. Cold Kitten T-Force Survivor Superfan, voted off in Tribal Council on Day 2.
2. Celirra Survivor Superfan, mysteriously vanished during Night 3.
3. star-crossed Survivor Superfan, abandoned at sea during Night 4.
4. Wayward Vagabond Survivor Superfan, Survivor dreams crushed at endgame.
5. Vendetta21 FreezinIce Survivor Superfan, Survivor dreams crushed at endgame.
6. Soundwave- Survivor Saboteur, Made it onto the live finale and hung out with Jeff Probst.
7. reuben_tate Survivor Superfan, voted off in Tribal Council on Day 1.
8. j-rodd123 Survivor Superfan, Survivor dreams crushed at endgame.
9. ShadoWolfe Survivor Superfan, life-flighted off the island on Night 1.
10. Tokzic Survivor Superfan, medically evacuated after food poisoning on Night 1.
11. theknightsofneeee Survivor Saboteur, voted off in Tribal Council on Day 3.
12. Charu Survivor Superfan, life-flighted off of the island after his shelter collapsed during Night 2.
13. DaBackpack Survivor Saboteur, Made it onto the live finale and hung out with Jeff Probst.
14. flashflash account Survivor Superfan, voted off in Tribal Council on Day 0.
15. Hakulyte Survivor Saboteur, Made it onto the live finale and hung out with Jeff Probst.
16. thesunfan Survivor Superfan, voted off in Tribal Council on Day 4.

Host Comments:

At the end of the day, we have selected DaBackpack as the sole survivor. He showed wit, skill, and leadership, all qualities necessary for life at camp.

As for our other contestants, we do have a few comments to say:
Town was a bit too comfortable lynching the "question mark" players like reuben and T-Force and not players that might be sneakier. The mislynch award might go to one of these two if flashflash account didn't already deserve it for his fate this game and his previous games.

Town also had a great start competing in the challenges, but too many people gave up instead of digging deep and earning the reward and immunity challenges. The saboteurs snatched a large majority of the prizes, so town was at a loss.

The saboteurs had a really weird bus relationship with each other, with Soundwave naming the entire saboteur team with only his name replaced. Bold strategy. neeee unfortunately ran out of free time so he got sent home, and Hakulyte racked up the challenges for the team.

The hidden idol took much longer than expected, but there was one design flaw that had the puzzle unsolvable from the start. The same person responsible for that design flaw was also responsible for losing the removal link for the hidden idol host, so more people than the original finder got to see it. We'll have a chat with that producer. I'm not saying it was roundbox, but it was roundbox.

We thank you loyal watchers for tuning in, and hope to see you next season if ratings are high! Who knows, maybe a superfan like yourself might make it on!

TWG CLXXVI: TWG of Many Things
Postgame thread not created

Hosted by: Cold Kitten & the sun fan
Towns & XelNya Win
MVP: --

1. FreezinIce Lost Wolf, Lynched d2
2. blindreper1179 Vanilla Town, Died n1
3. flashflash account Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
4. storn42 Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
5. DaBackpack Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
6. Wayward Vagabond Charu Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
7. XelNya Fool, Won d1
8. MixMasterLar Lost Wolf, Died d0
9. mellonxcollie Lyncher, Lost n1
10. Curry and Rice Lost Wolf, Lynched d0
11. inDheart Vanilla Town, Killed n1

Host Comments:

N/A

TWG CLXXVII: The Resident Evil Game(mini version)
Postgame thread

Hosted by: blindreper1179
Town Wins
MVP: N/A

1.haku- Killed N1 Chris Redfield
2.celirra won at end game
3.roundbox won at end game
4.curry and Rice Lynched D3 Albert Wesker
5.psychoangel691- replaced by star-crossed won at end game
6.mellonxcollie- Killed N2 Red Queen
7.Xelnya- Lynched D2 S.T.A.R.S. member
8.gun92- Killed N2 Rebecca Chambers
9.zoshi- Killed N3 S.T.A.R.S. member
10.darkmanticorex2- Killed N1 Leon Kennedy
11.InDheart- Killed N4 claire redfield
12.flashflash account- lynched D0 william birkin
13.Funnygurl555- Lynched D1 Jill Valentine
14.olimer12345- lynched D4 ada wong

Host Comments:

Overall the game was a shitshow whether it'd be lack of play from players, or me fucking up by allowing a second for 01 being legal and not being in thread at phase end and causing a shitstorm in dead chat. My bad.

TWG CLXXVIII: Danganronpa
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Xiz
DaBackPack Wins
MVP: DaBackPack

1) blindreper1179 (Aoi Asahina) [Killed N2 - Town]
2) Funnygurl555 (Byakuya Togami) [Lost at End - Godfather]
3) Hakulyte (Celestia Ludenberg) [Killed N1 - Town]
4) star-crossed (Chihiro Fujisaki) [Killed Night 4 - Blocker]
5) storn42 (Hifumi Yamada) [Lynched D3 - Town]
6) DaBackPack (Junko Enoshima) [Killed N1 - Old Aquisitioner]
7) Zoshi (Kiyotaka Ishimaru) [Killed N2 - Divist]
8) Precarious (Kyoko Kirigiri) [Lynched D5 - Town]
9) roundbox (Leon Kuwata) [Killed Night 4 - Identity Wolf]
10) FreezinIce (Makoto Naegi) [Lost at End - Town]
11) flashflash account (Mondo Owada) [Lynched D4 - Town]
12) WayWard Vagabond (Mukuro Ikusaba) [Modkilled D4 - Town]
13) Celirra (Sakura Ogami) [Won - Aquisitioner (VT Old)]
14) mellonxcollie (Sayaka Maizono) [Lynched D1 - Roleblocker]
15) XelNya (Toko Fukawa) [Lynched D2 - Cop]
16) T-Force (Yasuhiro Hagakure) [Killed N3 - Doctor]

Host Comments:

Town were very weak. Too scared to play because of identity wolf. The stronger town were not afraid of it and changed their style to fit well into the game. Aquisitioner did exactly what they needed to do to win.

TWG CLXXIX: The Third FE Mystery Game
Postgame thread

Hosted by: the sun fan & star-crossed
Wolves Win
MVP: Daikyi

1) roundbox Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
2) T-Force (TWGma) Councilor, Killed N3
3) blindreper1179 Vanilla Town, Lynched D4
4) flashflash account Vanilla Town, Lynched D2
5) Xiz Wolf Apothecary, Won at Endgame
6) ShadoWolfe Lover, Died D2
7) DarkManticoreX2 (LightManticoreX2) Lost Wolf, Lynched D0
8) Hakulyte Investigator, Killed D1
9) Funnygurl555 Speculator, Killed N3
10) mellonxcollie (mellon_collie) Vanilla Town, Killed N1
11) Zoshi FreezinIce 1-shot Bodyguard, Lost at Endgame
12) mtamburini Lover, Modkilled D2
13) MixMasterLar Angel, Killed N2
14) Precarious Wolf JOAT, Lynched D3
15) sprucegrit Thief, Killed N3
16) Xelicopter (alt of XelNya) Vanilla Town, Lynched D5
17) Tokzic Wolf Snowball, Lynched D1
18) DaBackPack Innocent Child, Killed D1
19) jessiebessie (TWG The Queen) Vanilla Wolf, Won at Endgame
20) who_cares973 Vanilla Town, Killed D1
21) Adam33 _Zenith_ Vanilla Town, Killed N3
22) Celirra Distracter, Lost at Endgame
23) Charu Vanilla Town, Lost at Endgame
24) Yoshl (Daikyi) Wolf Lawyer, Won at Endgame

Host Comments:

probably going to make a larger post about how this game could've had less posts

72 hour d0s are never coming back to FFR

people don't like the idea of post restrictions

ITAs seemed ok, purple text seems to be a fine indicator of declaration of shot

events are a little less clear; people had a bunch of different things to say. The anagram event sucked. The portrait event was probably the most well done event.

Didn't talk about balance quite as much as I would've liked. I think that there definitely needed to be more KP but not everyone was in agreement on this one. Would've liked to talk about whether or not any individual roles seemed OP/too weak.

completely split the zoom on whether or not 24 players is too many players for FFR. Some people said its never good, some people said that its only good when the game is well done.

with regards to making larger games more bearable, a few people suggested night starts, but I think most everyone else didn't like that idea. An interesting idea was games that have OOTC, but nonwolves aren't allowed to private message other players. I'd be interested to see how that idea plays out.

phase end times are obviously going to be different from everyone, but maybe pushing them at least an hour ahead would be better in the future. A very good idea is in the signups thread, having people vote in a vBulletin poll at the top about when they want phase ends to be would be a great implementation.

people still like Matrix6 for jTWG.

TWG CLXXX: OuO what's this?
Postgame thread

Hosted by: Daikyi
Town Wins
MVP: DaBackPack

1) the sun fan Vanilla Town, Killed n4
2) who_cares973 Vanilla Town, Lynched d1
3) Anti-Pearl FreezinIce Mafia Goon, Killed n3
4) Syhto Vanilla Town, Killed n1
5) Funnygurl555 Vanilla Town, Lynched d4
6) DaBackPack Gunsmith, Killed n2
7) Gradiant Vanilla Town, Lynched d0
8) Xiz Mafia Goon, Lynched d2
9) Precarious Vanilla Town, Lynched d3
10) inDheart Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
11) Celirra Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
12) blindreper1179 Vanilla Town, Won at Endgame
13) Tps222 1-shot Mafia Bus-Driver, Lynched d6

Host Comments:

i think mvp dbp tbh

the way everything else played out, wolves accidentally scenario locked themselves out of the win and dbp played the best up to then imo