[HNJhack]

very true. but the only problem is, when n00bs try to get into this stuff, they all make one BIG mistake. They go out and by/read some book released by a "hacker". "all of the secrets of the pro's" that kinda crap.when common sense would tell you, that if a book like that was out anb about, the go'vt would have recalled it in a heartbeat. yeah those books are telling the truth, but those hacks are on average 2 or more years old. Anyone with even mild experience would know that ALOT WILL change in 2 years. so much that it will be a completely different task to hack into the same system. ^_^

(but i thought we should have a private forum for say, all the moderaters, myself, and a couple of RELIABLE members who would like to partake in the topic. that way, we know that only trustworthy people knokw of our discussion, and no hackers, besides me will know of the methods used for defense.)
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