[Falcon]

well, lemme give a few of these a shot.

Originally Posted by 87x

Yea.. well heres my best guess... follow the chart
Amino acids -> DNA -> Single Celled -> Multi Cellular (sp?) -> Plants
^---> Single Celled ^--> Animals -V
V---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
V->Fish -> fish
V->Amphibious Bugs -> Regular Bugs
>->Amphibians -> Reptiles
^->Dynapsids -> Gators/Lizards
- ^->Dinosaurs -> Birds
-->Synapsids ->Mammals -> Great Apes -> Prime Apes -> Humans

Yea.. im sure yall can figure that out.. Evolution baby.. the reason we are here today..

as far as the early stages of evolution and the creation of amino acids... this has never been duplicated, which is a pivotal part of proving a scientific theory. there was a scientist who attempted this (if dont remember his name) and who actually got amino acids to be produced. however, the amino acids that were produced were dead amino acids, meaning that they are unable to produce life. and these were under the exact conditions of early earth.

Originally Posted by vxdx

Personally, the best disproof of a god that I can offer is that people having free will and god being omniscient together are a juxtaposition.

free will and omniscience are two things that alot of people, especially christians, misunderstand. as i understand it, humans do have free will. we make our own decisions, we choose the good or the bad choice in each situation, etc... but God knows what we will choose in the end and how things will turn out. however, he doesnt control it. he simply knows about it. confusing? yes.

Originally Posted by lupin

the Matrix is one of the most religous based movies (if you are sophisticated enough to interpret it)

the matrix was a conglomeration of a whole bunch of different religions (christianity, buddhism, hinduism, etc). very deep movie, actually. at least the first one...

Originally Posted by anticrombie's book

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing." "But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead givaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that." And promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

its not so much that God refuses to show us that he exists. in fact, i'd say there is a good amount of evidence that shows that God does exist, your babel fish for example. again, back to the free will thing, we would not have free will if God came out and said "I AM GOD. WORSHIP ME." he gives us the free choice to observe everything around us, weigh the options, and make our own decisions. i see this babel fish, as well as other examples, as proof that God exists rather than a disproof.

Originally Posted by scorpip

Religion. Now that we're allowed to discuss this, why are we only discussing the christianic version of how we all came to be? I mean... Hmmmm... If it really was just this one "God" that created us, why are their other religions? If the belief is so strong then why doesn't everyone believe? So... Well, in my mind I've just ruled out religion, unless they all rooted together some how.

i hate to keep reverting to this free will thing... but thats part of it. also, as humans, we ourselves often take things that we like about something, twist them a little, and make our own version that we like. thats how alot of religions have started... the angelican (i THINK, whichever church it was that the king of england decided to make because he was pissed about not being able to divorce his wife) for example. this is a whole different discussion... maybe i'll do this later.