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Old 10-8-2016, 01:38 AM   #650
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Default Re: TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

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Originally Posted by inDheart View Post
first days are tough because they start from zero, but i disagree with you saying gut reads are not a useful tool
This all started with my argument with DBP. I think we can agree on that? Here was DBP's town read post, from way back.

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack View Post
Freezinice and Haku are probably never on the same team here

and honestly I have freezin and gradiant both as town rn
This is, as far as I know, DBP's gut read (at the time, for all I know it's changed) on Freezin and Gradiant. At the time, they were in the midst of their big fight.

DBP has them as both town. There is no explanation as to why. This is not particularly useful to our overall conversation. It does not tell me why DBP reads them as both town. Moreover, two early unsupported town reads is such a minor (and, if desired, easily reversible) position that it does nothing to advance the conversation. I asked DBP, several times, for reads. I never got them.

There's nothing wrong with gut reads as a personal tool. Intuition and logic are both fine as starting points, since you have to start somewhere, and no one really knows what the fuck is happening on D0 anyway. But the difference between a pure gut read and a "logical" post is that the logical post requires logic--there has to be an A leads to B. This lets other people inside your mind. It allows them to examine your argument for or against someone, and also allows them to examine you. A purely intuitive gut read needs clarification on what/why that intuition leads you in that direction. Otherwise, it has no value to the greater conversation, and no persuasive value unless other people happen to have the same gut feeling. And given that everything is somewhat unreliable on D0, mass agreement is unlikely unless something unusual happens.

If you make a gut read, you should try to support it and explain what leads to that gut feeling. That explanation is evidence. Whether it's good evidence or not is for the player base to decide.
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