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12-8-2015, 09:29 PM	#11
Tokzic FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: TGB Age: 36 Posts: 6,878	Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live) tokzic [8:32 PM] where did you get the idea [8:32] that two people came out to dlgn [8:33] wait a second [8:33] xiz said that [8:34] holy shit looking through old messages on slack is hard [8:34] you just quoted it [8:34] fffffffffffff dabackpack [8:42 PM] what [8:42] oh tokzic [8:43 PM] that xiz/ayase exchange is what made me claim in the first place [8:43] just trying to detective out where the idea that both hobos had claimed came from [8:43] when none of them had dabackpack [8:43 PM] Oh wait [8:44] I had the idea that dlgn was a PR, and was trying to find his partner [8:44] but two people came to him, that's why he was adamant about rzr being a wolf [8:44] but that is wrong tokzic [8:45 PM] gotcha gotcha [8:45] dbp i have no idea how to read you [8:45] pls help [8:46] do you hate wolves [8:46] do you want them to die [8:46] [ ] y [ ] n dabackpack [8:51 PM] yes I want them to die [8:51] [x] y tokzic [8:52 PM] that was a timed question dabackpack [8:52 PM] oh [8:52] rip tokzic [8:52 PM] it took you way too long to decide that you want wolves to die dabackpack [8:53 PM] I was busy fucking up in the main thread [8:53] things* tokzic [8:53 PM] no harm no foul ----- December 6th ----- tokzic [10:04 PM] where did you hide last night dabackpack [10:04 PM] dino den tokzic [10:05 PM] THAT'S RIGHT dabackpack [10:05 PM] ? [10:05] dinos are fuckin awesome tokzic [10:05 PM] seering was on you haha dabackpack [10:05 PM] lmao [10:05] thx tokzic [10:07 PM] alright i have a really hard time imagining red just chilling in an exhibit [10:08] so i'm going to go ahead and say you're 90% town dlgn [6:14 PM] are you a homeless guy? [6:14] is that why you want it? [6:14] because it's not as useful as you'd think [6:14] imo tokzic [6:19 PM] i didn't say i want it [6:19] i said i want a hobo in it dlgn [6:19 PM] w/e i just don't see why that is useful tokzic [6:19 PM] because if we can get hobos to 50/50 with wolves dlgn [6:19 PM] maybe if they lose their one escape [6:19] then let them tokzic [6:19 PM] with powers intact dlgn [6:20 PM] but don't waste it on a homeless guy with their power still tokzic [6:20 PM] we win [6:24] how is keeping our power roles intact [6:24] a waste dlgn [6:25 PM] putting them in positions where their "power" may as well not exist is silly tokzic [6:26 PM] it's not though [6:26] the later in the game they keep their powers alive [6:26] the more utility the power has [6:27] think if we get to a scenario with 2 humans 2 wolves 2 freezeproof hobos [6:28] the hobos won't be lynched or killable ----- December 5th ----- tokzic [5:57 PM] what [5:57] i just read that two hobos claimed to you dlgn [5:57 PM] backpack thought that two claimed to me tokzic [5:59 PM] so just the one then dlgn [5:59 PM] yes tokzic [6:27 PM] alright well [6:28] i kind of gave it away [6:28] just there [6:28] but i'm the other hobo [6:28] i'm not going to be private about this though dlgn [6:32 PM] here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed: [6:32] you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though [6:33] i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao tokzic [6:33 PM] lmfao [6:34] that occurred to me [6:34] i was like "i feel like dolgin isn't being 100% straightforward" [6:34] but i couldn't decide whether both hobos had come to you [6:34] or neither dlgn [6:34 PM] haha sorry, that's the only lie i've told this game though, promise!! tokzic [6:34 PM] or if you were a hobo yourself dlgn [6:34 PM] but i couldn't decide whether both hobos had come to you [6:34] ill pretend you didn't say that [6:34] LOL [6:35] i think you just meant 2, one presumably being fake tokzic [6:37 PM] yeah that's what i'm saying [6:38] that's why i messaged you in the first place dlgn [6:38 PM] yeah, i'm 99%+ sure you are actually a HG haha tokzic [6:38 PM] because if two hobo claims were on the table then we had a wolf on our hands dlgn [6:38 PM] yep dlgn [7:43 PM] sigh [7:43] I wish you didn't post that [7:44] If you were suspicious of me that's one thing tokzic [7:44 PM] i am suspicious of you dlgn [7:44 PM] but all that did was give the idiots ammunition [7:44] welp tokzic [7:44 PM] i mean [7:45] ok this is a topic in three places right now i'm just going to say it in the game channel [7:49] why [7:49] did you feel the need to lie [7:49] about getting a claim dlgn [7:49 PM] because i think you realize how fucking worthless your PR is [7:50] and how I can do nothing to take advantage of it as a wolf [7:50] I literally wanted to set the two of oyu up [7:50] that is all tokzic [7:50 PM] this pr is great are you serious [7:50] this pr is insanely strong in this format dlgn [7:50 PM] uhhh [7:50] ok [7:50] i don't care so much about it anymore [7:51] but want to enjoy this game and do some interesting things with the room the rules allow tokzic [7:51 PM] also if we had followed your plan and you were a wolf [7:51] you would have had complete knowledge of every action [7:51] of the two confirmed humans [7:51] is that "nothing" [7:51] to take advantage of dlgn [7:51 PM] jfc if you cannot realize that my plan was, BEOFRE THE RULE CHANGE, COMEPLETELY TOWNSIDED, I don't know what to tell you tokzic [7:52 PM] the rule change is entirely independent of what we're talking about dlgn [7:53 PM] it really isn't [7:54] vendetta is using my forum settings as a case against me [7:54] so I don't mind suggesting that THE RULE FUCKING CHANGED BECAUSE YOSHL REALIZED I SAW A WAY TO SOLVE THE GAME IN A FUCKING DAY FOR TOWN tokzic [7:55 PM] ok listen [7:55] i'm not arguing dlgn [7:56 PM] there was a better way of doing this tokzic [7:56 PM] that using the bathrooms would have resulted in confirmed town [7:56] what i'm arguing is [7:56] that wolves have three heads [7:56] this easily could have occurred to them [7:56] and trading outing that knowledge [7:56] in exchange for full knowledge of hobo actions [7:56] is a pretty good deal dlgn [7:57 PM] yeah I realize that, but really, it has gotten me literally nothing [7:57] except a bunch of grief [7:57] as town dlgn [9:06 PM] i assure you [9:06] 100% [9:06] I am town [9:06] I very strongly suggest you send me to the booth tonight [9:06] it would be fantastic if I died [9:06] don't out it in the thread, in fact suggesting that you will go is probably a good thing, idk tokzic [9:06 PM] i've already got my plan for who's going into the booth tonight dlgn [9:07 PM] i hope you consider what I said [9:07] that's all dlgn [10:03 PM] please please please [10:03] if you believe botchi [10:04] and botchi feels ok about me [10:04] please consider sending me into the booth [10:04] i think my dying would not be a bad outcome [10:04] honestly regardless of who you believe [10:06] i don't want to rush you [10:07] but i'd like to get my night action in sooner rather than later [10:07] if you can tell me what you would like me to do tokzic [10:10 PM] man i keep telling you [10:11] i have my plan for the booth already dlgn [10:11 PM] i want to die tokzic [10:11 PM] why do you want to die dlgn [10:11 PM] it's almost certainly going to be used [10:11] because I am the easiest scapegoat this game has ever seen [10:11] so I am an unlikely kill [10:12] but if i do die [10:12] GREAT tokzic [10:12 PM] nobody is a likely kill [10:12] wolves target rooms and not people dlgn [10:12 PM] true [10:12] this game is fucking weird tokzic [10:12 PM] i don't even get where you're coming from with the easy scapegoat thing either dlgn [10:12 PM] are you fucking serious tokzic [10:12 PM] i feel like the only person who still suspects you dlgn [10:12 PM] the entire game wanted me dead [10:12] yeah at EOD maybe tokzic [10:13 PM] eod's the only time that counts dlgn [10:13 PM] tomorrow it'll be easy af to return to tokzic [10:13 PM] guess we'll see [10:13] if you're really town [10:13] don't give up dlgn [10:13 PM] like I have no reason why anybody switched off of me [10:13] they have 0 reason to stick to that roundbox [6:56 PM] dlgn mentioned one of the hobos messaged him. would you be that hobo? tokzic [6:59 PM] nope [6:59] turns out he was lying about that xD roundbox [7:00 PM] interesting tokzic [7:00 PM] dlgn [6:32 PM] here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed: [6:32] you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though [6:33] i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao tokzic [8:01 PM] why is dpb on your radar [8:02] i haven't isoed him yet roundbox [8:02 PM] he isn't doing the same amount of work he usually does as town tokzic [8:02 PM] but he's null leaning green for me at the moment roundbox [9:15 PM] if you can't figure out why I want to roll for slots [9:15] we will find out if one of the people we randomly assigned is the movie stalker [9:15] since they can't occupy the bathroom, we will find out by n2 their identity in the event that one of the people we assigned was the stalker tokzic [9:16 PM] i see where you're going with this roundbox [9:16 PM] I think you should random.org it and tell people [9:16] publicly, that is tokzic [9:16 PM] wouldn't it be better to specifically target suspicious people roundbox [9:16 PM] it's the best way to decide, plus we can potentially catch a wolf with it [9:16] you could say that [9:16] you randomed [9:16] but didn't tokzic [9:16 PM] lmao roundbox [9:17 PM] nobody would be able to tell tokzic [9:17 PM] the thing though [9:17] is that there's still the straggler wolf [9:17] if that's the plan [9:17] they can just choose to not go in the bathrooms [9:17] if the people in the list are not the movie stalker roundbox [9:17 PM] true [9:18] I still think it's good [9:18] in the event the straggler tries to sabotage somthing [9:18] it's better than them fucking with the person going to security room/kidz zone tokzic [9:18 PM] i continue to think [9:19] the best use of bathrooms [9:19] is just to keep hobo freezeproofs as long as possible [9:20] wolves can only use 2 slots if they choose not to use ac room, which i think is dumb and unlikely [9:20] so probably they'll use 1 roundbox [9:20 PM] right tokzic [9:20 PM] one hobo uses one slot roundbox [9:20 PM] so tokzic [9:20 PM] and then we get one slot tomorrow [9:20] right roundbox [9:20 PM] depending on how fast the pm is [9:20] if wolves sabotage one more slot then it's a race tokzic [9:20 PM] huh [9:21] if wolves sabotaged one more slot [9:21] then bathrooms would seal [9:21] and nobody would die [9:21] where does the race come in roundbox [9:21 PM] I was looking at it [9:21] from the strategy of [9:22] "send a hobo to the bathrooms and nobody else" [9:22] on n1 tokzic [9:22 PM] right right [9:22] so you follow me [9:22] that leaves n2 one slot [9:22] and if wolves tried to do it again they'd be coinflipping killing a wolf [9:22] which i also think is unlikely roundbox [9:22 PM] potentially [9:22] the first person to get their pm in takes up bathroom slot [9:22] this is where the race idea comes in [9:23] so if that same wolf was trying to force the hobo out [9:23] they would only do so if they got their pm in before the hobo tokzic [9:24 PM] right [9:24] but in doing so [9:24] they'd be risking -1 wolf roundbox [9:24 PM] only if they freeze the main hall tokzic [9:24 PM] i thought main hall always kills half roundbox [9:24 PM] nope [9:24] they have to choose to freeze it tokzic [9:24 PM] but wolves can target to kill all [9:25] oh [9:25] okay interesting [9:26] so actually there's no risk at all for them to spam bathrooms every night roundbox [9:26 PM] yes [9:29] does this change your plan at all? [9:29] from my perspective tokzic [9:29 PM] not really roundbox [9:30 PM] a wolf's best freeze is an exhibit [9:30] I don't see them freezing main hall tokzic [9:30 PM] same roundbox [9:30 PM] RISKY PLAY: I'm thinking about hiding in main hall tonight tokzic [9:30 PM] so bathrooms remain essentially a safe spot [9:31] that's actually somewhat less risky than other places roundbox [9:31 PM] I have a plan behind it to [9:31] too* [9:31] gonna message a bunch of people telling them I'm hiding in exhibit X and not to join me roundbox [11:25 PM] progress on this [11:26] I told AA I'm going to space space and Dabackpack I'm goingto Ancient Archives tokzic [11:27 PM] lmao nice roundbox [11:27 PM] gonna find 3 more people [11:27] think I should include botchi/xiz? tokzic [11:28 PM] if you tell two wolves two different places won't that ruin the play roundbox [11:28 PM] yes and no tokzic [11:29 PM] i think skip on botchi/xiz for that reason roundbox [11:29 PM] I'm not hiding in any exhibit though rzr [5:58 PM] you really think V is scummy again? tokzic [6:06 PM] never said that [6:07] said i don't know what to make of him [6:07] i think his behaviour about kidz zone is scummy [6:07] i can see that thought occurring to red v [6:07] "haha i will deny humans using the kidz zone by saying i will use it no matter what and if we die oh well!!" rzr [6:29 PM] I don't see why a human would want to go to the kidz zone no matter what [6:29] sorry it took me a min to catch back up tokzic [6:29 PM] that's what i'm saying rzr [6:31 PM] I can agree with that. What do you think about a dlgn/V team? tokzic [6:34 PM] makes a lot of sense [6:35] whenever i'm red with v he makes a point of wanting to argue with me [6:35] which he did with dolgin really heavily [6:35] and then stopped very suddenly rzr [6:36 PM] and he also said he sounded genuinely town right? [6:37] let's see what I can do. odds of 2 scum games in a row? rzr/10 tokzic [6:40 PM] i think dolgin is coming across scummier than v [6:40] but i can see them being partners [6:41] dolgin is simultaneously posting a lot about mechanics [6:41] while not understanding mechanics very much at all [6:41] the bit in slack general where he was saying seering is pointless [6:41] wat rzr [6:42 PM] I don't see his motives as town oriented, just kinda finding something/anything that could be a plan [6:42] What do you think a bout round/xiz? tokzic [6:44 PM] xiz feels town to me [6:44] his reactions as he entered the thread [6:45] felt pretty pure to me [6:45] roundbox is null [6:45] could go either way tokzic [6:45 PM] way less game theory than i expect of him [6:45] but it's early so that's not conclusive rzr [6:47 PM] I say (at this point) if round hasn't done much more he'd be a good d2 start [6:47] Xiz I wish to see more from [6:47] Gradiant6 concerns me - he seemed much more interested at the start then he does now ----- December 6th ----- tokzic [12:01 AM] hey rzr [12:01] do you want to seer tonight [12:01] i'm pretty confident you're town tokzic [12:08 AM] okay you logged off nevermind rzr [12:17 PM] Hey my bad I don't know why it says I'm logged off (I was sleeping tho) so you guys lmk what we're thinking tokzic [9:15 PM] it looks like it's not gonna matter [9:15] xiz is squatting the booth rzr [9:16 PM] I''m really tired but I gotta tell you somethin [9:16] oh yeah [9:16] but [9:16] b [9:16] do you think he actually will? [9:17] if so because he's scum? if so I'm really concerned about AA tokzic [9:17 PM] it might not even be him doing it [9:17] him being wolf would mean he could just say he's doing it and have a partner go too [9:18] though that's really only a thing if he's stalker rzr [9:19 PM] so yeah you think the're throwing a wrench in the plan tokzic [9:20 PM] yeah we're getting our seering denied [9:21] that's kind of interesting though [9:21] because that means that wolves don't want us getting our seering off [9:21] which means there's probably heat on at least one other wolf rzr [9:21 PM] I had a thought and I'm coming to you and instead, but remember this is just a thought [9:21] well yeah [9:21] so dap or AA tokzic [9:22 PM] yup rzr [9:22 PM] I still don't trust d;gn tokzic [9:22 PM] i still think dolgin's in the realm of possibility too [9:22] yes rzr [9:22 PM] but tokzic [9:22 PM] i wish we had lynched him yesterday rzr [9:22 PM] didn't mean to write that [9:22] yes tokzic [9:22 PM] he was easily the #1 info lynch [9:23] and i did not find his reaction to being on the block [9:23] towny at all rzr [9:23 PM] I have no idea how that gradiant shit [9:23] no [9:23] I listed like 8 reasons I thought he was sketchy [9:23] but round was defending him tokzic [9:24 PM] v also went in hard on him, said he was confident about him being a wolf [9:24] but then pulled out for reasons he couldn't say [9:24] because ANGLESHOOTING rzr [9:24 PM] hmm I missed that [9:24] I still don't fully underds [9:24] tand [9:24] that term lol tokzic [9:25 PM] it means using information that's not allowed in the rules e.g. pm info [9:25] did you read that part in the slack [9:25] where yoshl said STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS rzr [9:25 PM] nooo tokzic [9:25 PM] dbp was the one who initiated it [9:25] hold on rzr [9:26 PM] oy [9:26] I wanna see this - might condemn dap tokzic [9:26 PM] https://twig.slack.com/archives/free...49366405004482 [9:27] does that work i don't even know [9:27] slack is hard [9:27] it's awkward because it entirely diffused the dlgn wagon [9:27] but we aren't even allowed to analyse precisely what he's talking about rzr [9:29 PM] all I "really" see is dlgn flipping out again And I would say dap is human [9:30] does work btw. very well it sends me to the top of chat where that part was tokzic [9:30 PM] v weirded me out there rzr [9:30 PM] where do you think I sould go? [9:30] Do you trust roundbox? tokzic [9:30 PM] he went from being "very confident" dlgn was a wolf to thinking it was unlikely rzr [9:31 PM] when? tokzic [9:31 PM] and despite reading that bit over and over i can't follow where that thought process came from [9:31] directly before it rzr [9:31 PM] in our pm's he said he thought he was human tokzic [9:31 PM] https://twig.slack.com/archives/free...49365093004305 [9:32] i don't know what to think of roundbox [9:32] i don't think he's a good lynch candidate [9:32] we talked a lot about the bathrooms [9:33] and he pushed some plans that didn't actually have any use and would just immediately blow all our bathroom charges [9:33] i got some weird vibes then [9:33] but then other times he seems like he has a town mindset [9:34] i thought his defense of dlgn was weak [9:34] if dlgn is red i can see him being a partner rzr [9:35 PM] That aligns with what I just said publicly [9:36] should I trust botchi? [9:36] Also tokzic [9:36 PM] i'm 99% that xiz is the fakeclaimer rzr [9:36 PM] I'm talking to AA and since I'm on the fence about him I'm tgrying to think of something to ask him [9:36] At this point there's 2 possibilities [9:37] Botchi and you are homeless, Xiz and (b) and (c) are wolves [9:37] or [9:37] Xiz is human lol tokzic [9:37 PM] i have a really hard time seeing botchi fakeclaiming rzr [9:37 PM] hold on I got something good here tokzic [9:37 PM] alright rzr [9:37 PM] I don't believe it but it crfossed my mind [9:38] you and botchi are wolves [9:38] I mean it obviously has to cross other p[eoples minds right [9:38] so bare with me [9:38] if you were [9:38] as scum [9:38] secretly having more and more people go to the booth and anticipate them to be booted to the main hall [9:39] and instead, freeze the main hall [9:39] now [9:39] pause [9:39] I think exposing this thought process to dlgn and watching hisa reactions (like with gradiant) [9:39] we could pin him [9:39] that's my "plan" [9:39] if he jumps on it I'd say him and xis are scum tokzic [9:40 PM] i'm always for reaction testing [9:40] but immediately what should occur to him is [9:40] that doesn't make any sense because then we'd have four hobo claims and not three rzr [9:40 PM] and the reason I say this to you is because why the fuck wouldn't a xiz PR want to do the seering [9:40] wasn't it you him and botchi? [9:40] xiz* tokzic [9:41 PM] right [9:41] but in your thinking there you said me and botchi are wolves [9:41] and xiz is human [9:41] that leaves one hobo keeping quiet [9:41] for some reason [9:42] i mean there's nothing to lose trying it rzr [9:42 PM] Oh yeah [9:42] true [9:42] wouldn't my reply be the other guy didn't trust enough to claim [9:42] ha [9:42] maybe I could even get him to claim [9:42] if I convinced him of my idea [9:43] I mean "idea" ;p; tokzic [9:43 PM] worth a shot [9:43] man i wish i got more than two hours of sleep [9:44] this game is like four times as hard as it was yesterday rzr [9:44 PM] night talk makes it more interesting [9:44] like the good ol days [9:44] &&& oot [9:44] thought:: [9:45] what about that wagon on gradiant [9:45] there's gotta be a missing clue in there that would tie it togethjer tokzic [9:45 PM] it was weird and probably had two wolves on it rzr [9:45 PM] right [9:45] Despite notcing it, I didn't actually read AA's post on the order of things [9:45] but I asked people if they thought it was scummy [9:45] I don't see a wolf AA going to those lenghts [9:46] but if xiz/dlgn xiz/AA dlgn/roundbox dlgn=/=AA tokzic [9:47 PM] wait can you explain those pairings [9:47] i don't follow rzr [9:48 PM] xiz/dlgn = 2 possibilities xiz/AA = 2 possibilities [9:48] if dlgn is a wolf we agree roundbox's case isn't promising [9:49] therefore AA, in this situation, can't be a wolf [9:49] the team would be xiz/dlgn/roundbox [9:49] however, regardless of roundbox's defense of dlgn, I do not suspect roundbox tokzic [9:50 PM] i do think that team is possible but i can see lots of other fits too rzr [9:50 PM] I should say I sent PM to go to the booth and seer AA [9:50] I agree [9:51] I do think these are humans: me, you, botchi, vendetta, dap [9:51] the rest are all leans in one way or another [9:53] I meant to asn you privately lol at this point do you think I should find somewhere else to go? tokzic [9:56 PM] i'm talking to xiz now [9:56] i have a plan for the booth if he agrees to go somewhere else [9:56] don't go to the booth rzr [9:56 PM] heard [10:01] I found a nice cozy spot - good luck amigo [10:02] whep [10:02] I was just about to go there too [10:03] I really hope you're pinning xiz to the wall right now lol rzr [10:16 PM] so hey [10:16] any news? [10:16] I'm trying this plan on AA first tokzic [10:16 PM] that is exactly what was happening [10:16] he just kind of logged off though [10:17] right as i was getting to the juicy bit rzr [10:17 PM] ughhhh [10:17] well AA is being extremely helpful tokzic [10:17 PM] how so rzr [10:18 PM] He is interested in exploring this idea [10:18] you were right [10:18] he asked why the 4th PR didn't claim ----- Yesterday December 7th, 2015 ----- tokzic [3:50 PM] i'm starting to wonder about xelnya and storn [3:50] whenever there's more than one player not doing anything [3:51] that group almost always has a wolf hiding in it tokzic [4:07 PM] can you give me a chunk of your conversation with roundbox just before 11:29pm last night __________________ ~very popular guitar streamer~ Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what