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**omega_grunt666** · 10-21-2013, 02:36 AM

So theoretically, if there is a player better than you at every pattern but jacks, and a crucial song for moving forward contained a ton of jacks, they're out. It doesn't matter if they beat every score you post except that one, because of a single thing you can do slightly better they are out. Luck. If its the first elimination round they place poorly, if its the last they place second. The standing should not be affected by how lucky you got with the song order.

Where if you had a cumulative system, you drop a song early in the rounds, there is no way to make up for that without stomping a good portion of the remaining rounds (You can't slingshot, assuming the points are divided properly), but there is a hope. If you are actually top in your division, you will average the highest placements and get the most points, and win. Even if you are a middle of the pack player, you can still see X person scored this much better or worse than you and get a good idea of where you stand skill wise. Where if 40 people are eliminated in a round, all its saying is "these people couldn't do well on this single song".

Its less of a tournament and more roulette, hopefully you get placed in the lowest possible division, but if you just recently got moved up into D-x- there is little hope making it past the first round or two. I don't see why the push for eliminations, it just means you won't know who is actually the better well-rounded player. You just pray the songs line up with your individual strengths and you can play slightly better for your division because of it.

Elimination tournaments work great for games that can't be played out all at once, like pretty much every Esport (LoL/CS/Dota/ETC) because teams need to face each other in order to determine who is better. If every team had to face every team, they would take FOREVER. Because this tournament runs the same length with 5 people or 5,000,000 people since its deadline based, there is NO REASON it should be elimination. There is no downside for allowing everyone to compete to the very end, where as there are several problems running it as elim. (Luck based song order, Less players able to compete, etc)

I have yet to hear a single good argument for Elimination.

10-21-2013, 02:36 AM	#79
omega_grunt666 Nescio quid faciam Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 894	Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change? So theoretically, if there is a player better than you at every pattern but jacks, and a crucial song for moving forward contained a ton of jacks, they're out. It doesn't matter if they beat every score you post except that one, because of a single thing you can do slightly better they are out. Luck. If its the first elimination round they place poorly, if its the last they place second. The standing should not be affected by how lucky you got with the song order. Where if you had a cumulative system, you drop a song early in the rounds, there is no way to make up for that without stomping a good portion of the remaining rounds (You can't slingshot, assuming the points are divided properly), but there is a hope. If you are actually top in your division, you will average the highest placements and get the most points, and win. Even if you are a middle of the pack player, you can still see X person scored this much better or worse than you and get a good idea of where you stand skill wise. Where if 40 people are eliminated in a round, all its saying is "these people couldn't do well on this single song". Its less of a tournament and more roulette, hopefully you get placed in the lowest possible division, but if you just recently got moved up into D-x- there is little hope making it past the first round or two. I don't see why the push for eliminations, it just means you won't know who is actually the better well-rounded player. You just pray the songs line up with your individual strengths and you can play slightly better for your division because of it. Elimination tournaments work great for games that can't be played out all at once, like pretty much every Esport (LoL/CS/Dota/ETC) because teams need to face each other in order to determine who is better. If every team had to face every team, they would take FOREVER. Because this tournament runs the same length with 5 people or 5,000,000 people since its deadline based, there is NO REASON it should be elimination. There is no downside for allowing everyone to compete to the very end, where as there are several problems running it as elim. (Luck based song order, Less players able to compete, etc) I have yet to hear a single good argument for Elimination. __________________ Last edited by omega_grunt666; 10-21-2013 at 02:49 AM..