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Originally Posted by devonin

My point however, is that you would absolutely derive benefits from the specialized training, the extra hours, and so on and so forth.

I agree with this. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Communism does have it's appealing aspects and sometimes I wonder if I would in fact enjoy belonging to a communistic society because of points like this.

Originally Posted by devonin

Further people "being lazy" have no part in the system. The other side to "To each according to their needs" is "From each according to their ablities"

Lazy people still have needs don't they? From my understanding everybody would live in a very similar dwelling regardless if you're unemployed or a surgeon so wouldn't somebody who contributes nothing (I'm not saying everybody who doesn't contribute anything is lazy) live a similar life to somebody who contributes a lot?

Originally Posted by Cavernio

your desire to have more things than someone else

Where did I say that? I don't have a desire to have more things than somebody else I just think people who "put more in" to society should be the ones who are able to reap more benefits from that society. If you work a job that takes more effort (knowledge, intelligence, physical demands), you should be compensated which the vast majority of the time is done with money. This doesn't work perfectly in any system, but capitalism seems to be based around this.

Also personally I'm not materialistic at all. Personally I just want a job I want and have enough to support a basic life. Food, shelter, and a bit of fun here and there but if I get more out of my job it's by no means a bad thing lol. I'll probably end up travelling different places and experiencing all sorts of things because of it.

Originally Posted by Cavernio

the fact that you think some people 'are just lazy'

Some people are just lazy. I know a guy who was so busy playing Maplestory that he wasn't able to go to the welfare office to pay his mom his rent. No effort to look for a job and ruins his body with drugs. He's a leech on our society since we have to pay for his welfare and habits (healthcare which I think is a good thing) while he puts absolutely nothing into society. I'm not saying everybody who's poor is lazy at all, but there are lazy people out there.

Originally Posted by Cavernio

the the fact that you envision not being able to get luxuries under communism.

Originally Posted by Karl Marx

To each according to their needs

Originally Posted by Google Define: Need

Require (something) because it is essential or very important: "I need help now".

Originally Posted by Google Define: Luxury

An inessential, desirable item that is expensive or difficult to obtain

Originally Posted by Cavernio

And in terms of advancing technology...wow, have you lived in the past 20 years? Do you have any idea how often capitalism gets in the way of technological advancement? Do you realize the internet wasn't designed by a corporation? I mean, as soon as ANY technology threatens to replace something already existing, there's backlash from corporations.

I understand what you're saying but I think corporations advance technology far more than they hinder it. The competition between Android, iPhones, and Blackberry forces all of the competitors to produce better and better smart-phones. Yeah, the oil companies perhaps killed the electric car but I doubt capitalism would hinder technology anywhere near to the extent communism would.