[perfectchaoslemon]

Originally Posted by Reach

There are a few problems here.

1. Experiencing something does not constitute proof, nor does something have to be experienced for you to prove it. There are many things we know for a fact that cannot be experienced (e.g. things happening on the quantum level).

2. My entire point was that death cannot, by definition, ever be experienced, because it is the absence of experience.

3. You've really got the burden of proof backwards here. You've done and said absolutely nothing to convince me that there's life after death, or that there is actually a spirit that exists. However, saying that there is life after death is a 'claim'.

Any claim is subject to the burden of proof; that is, before I should even bother taking you seriously, you should give me evidence and reason as to why you're right.

I know you wouldn't take me seriously if I claimed NASA just discovered a new extrasolar planet that is swarming with blue hedgehogs running around collecting golden rings and trying to foil the plans of a fat genius, especially if I didn't give you any evidence to support this claim.

But that's basically what you're doing here.

I, on the other hand, gave real life neurological examples of why you're wrong.


So really, give me some actual substance to your argument and I'll take you seriously.

As funny as the nasa quote was, you didn't really provide much information either. You basically just gave more descriptive details about how we permanently lose our state of consciousness, but in reality, if there is absolutely no way to grasp that fact, the chances are it most likely does not exist. Now I may sound like I am stubborn and naive for saying this, but to an extent, it is somewhat true.

Take God for instance, he is an all supernatural being according to that faith, but even if what he does is difficult to grasp, at least we can get a general idea of what he can do and what it may feel like. Same goes for heaven and hell, we can kinda get a general idea of what it feels like to be in both places, extreme happiness and extreme sadness.

If you can give me one example of something that has been proven and yet is impossible to explain, then I may change my mind, but it seems like the issues of after death and before time existed (I'll explain more of what I mean about that if you ask me to, even though that would lead us to a completely different debate topic) and how we cannot perceive our existence just doesn't seem graspable in the slightest.


EDIT: I'm done debating here for now. I know I'll get a ****load if hate mail from others because I contradicted myself a few times here and there (which I know I did) and I don't have time explaining myself (which sounds very immature), but I'm going to go ahead and see where this conversation leads to (no, I'm not chickening out because I don't want a debate assuming I'd lose, I promise).