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Originally Posted by MrRubix
Nothing's conclusive on either side of the argument (in my opinion this is likely because both play a part in tandem), but to say "I have never encountered proof that homosexuality has a genetic basis" is a bit disingenuous to the issue.
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I take "proof" to be a very strong word. I realize there are studies that give indications that a genetic basis might be possible. But nobody has proven it (to my knowledge), so it's just wrong to tell it as if it's fact.
I just feel that my theory better encompasses the way homosexuality arises and the variations across cultures.
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Originally Posted by Izzy
Is it not true that people are born with heterosexuality? Or do you think that everyone is heterosexual because everyone else is heterosexual.
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No, that's a complete non-issue in my view. Since I believe that sexual orientation is almost entirely learned, I believe that, in general, people are socialized to be heterosexual, but some people reject this and become homosexual instead. We aren't born straight - we are born humans.
Basically, no, I don't think we're born heterosexual - we aren't born anything. Although this may sound contradictory, I do also believe that some people are born with a strong heterosexual tendency and others are born with a strong homosexual tendency. But I think most humans can go either way depending on environmental/social/external factors.
What I mean is that the majority of sexual orientation is not innate. There may be some small innate aspect but it's minor. It's like you don't have to be born with a sweet tooth to enjoy candy. You could hate candy until you're 35 years old and then love candy. How do you know you were "born with" this? You probably weren't... unless you could only stand sweet things as an infant and this was consistent as you grew up, then you might have been "born with" a sweet tooth.
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Originally Posted by Izzy
To me it seems like hormones play a big role, and it is pretty well known that people can be born with all kinds of hormone deficiencies and unnatural levels of the opposite hormones. There are even genetic mutations of the sex chromosomes to produce trans gendered people. How can all of those different birth effects not have a large impact on someones sexual orientation.
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First of all, transgendered people are defined as those who are OTHERWISE NORMAL but for some reason have a strong desire to personally associate with the gender to which they were not originally prescribed. You are talking about intersex people when you talk about sex chromosomes and mixed up hormones causing gender confusion. This is entirely different.
You don't want to tread into those waters. What you're talking about is very complex and I don't even know how to begin to explain how amazingly intertwined and yet unrelated these issues are. I don't feel like writing an essay right now. Just know that I know a LOT more about intersexuality than I do about homosexuality and sexual orientation as compared to what most people know about either issue, and I could talk for years about sexual development and sexual/chromosomal/hormonal disorders.
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Originally Posted by Izzy
If a gay person developed his homosexuality later in life why would it ever be possible to easily point out a gay man from a group of men. Assuming they are dressed the same. There voice box is different from what I assume is lower levels of testosterone and possibly higher levels of estrogen.
Either way it seems ridiculous to say there is no reason to believe that homosexuality is not something genetic related.
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Wow, you're just playing on stereotypes and social convention. "Gay guys act differently than straight dudes and that means they were born that way". Do you understand that social factors strongly affect the way you act?
You haven't given me any evidence whatsoever (not even close) to indicate that sexual orientation is genetic in nature. Also I have never seen a study showing that gay men consistently have lower levels of testosterone, or that this is in ANY way a "cause" of them being gay.