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Originally Posted by MrRubix
Honestly though, people are going to argue "Meh I don't want to whore," but then we risk making the list too small and/or too difficult for people to gain any points.
It's hard to numerically gauge the skill of lazy players who are talented at the game. That is where the system falls apart -- we have to make the list large enough so that we can get a decent picture given that all songs have been played. But it is that assumption that also breaks the system because not everyone plays all these songs.
The other issue is that if we were to make the list smaller, we risk excluding songs that may be good gauges. Say we didn't include new songs like Southern Cross, but someone manages to AAA it, but receives no tier points for it. This is obviously flawed.
So really, we have to ask ourselves where to draw the line.
In my opinion, I think the tier system is fine, in general. However, other games and sports don't always gauge skill by how well people fry the smaller fishes. Some people dominate the larger game and are obviously capable of dominating the lesser areas.
Therefore, I recommend that we split the tier system up into multiple counts. This way, for example, you could have the totals list like you do now (for statistics sake), but also have it divided up into the 4/5/6/7/8/9 groups. So, for example, the 8-Point Tier List would be a list of only 8-point songs. This allows people who are lazy but skilled to show that they are talented by only choosing the higher tiers to play, but also allows people of lesser skill to better see their progress in lesser tiers that they play. I haven't explained this well because it is late, but I feel like splitting up the list is a good way to both capture skill and help guard against the song-whoring issue. The general tier-rank would be derived from a weighted average of the tiers completed such that it is reasonable. Someone who ONLY tackles an 8-Point Tier List but does it well should have a higher status than someone who manages to clear out a few lower tiers. As a result, this would allow people who clear higher tiers to receive more relative points, but also rewards people for clearing more songs (only this time it has a lessened effect compared to how it is now, where a few easy songs will effortlessly overtake an 8 or 9-point song that wasn't achieved).
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agree VERY much. would be a great idea. of course i ALSO think the tier system should have a scoring system more like the one used for my tournament, instead of just the FC or die system, but this would be very hard to implement i guess. The ultimate downfall of FFR i suppose is that a 10 good, 2 avmiss score on SP (and i have gotten similar scores with a good deal of consistency) is WAY worse than a 120 good, 20 boo score on SP.
Tier Points: 679 (665 + 14 for 166 AAAs)
7/7 - K8107 - AAA
6/6 - Cosmic Orchestra - AAA
6/6 - lolharp5000 - AAA
6/6 - {Midnight} - AAA
6/6 - Kakke Ecko - AAA
6/6 - The Brain of the Moon - AAA
6/6 - UNknown Girl - AAA
6/6 - Shihen - AAA
6/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - AAA
6/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Synaxis Symphony - AAA
5/5 - Tambourin Chinois - AAA
5/5 - Mute City Remix - AAA
5/5 - The Five - AAA
5/5 - ViennaCore - AAA
5/5 - State of Emergency - AAA
5/5 - Color of Giggles - AAA
5/5 - P8107 - AAA
5/5 - Battle Ax - AAA
5/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - AAA
5/5 - Ride Out - AAA
5/5 - Amefuri Koneko - AAA
5/5 - Divinity - 1 or fewer
5/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - AAA
5/5 - Dazzling Destiny - AAA
5/5 - Dazzling Soul - AAA
5/5 - HELLBEAT v2 - AAA
5/5 - Video Out A - AAA
5/5 - Ruins - AAA
5/5 - 20031023 - AAA
5/5 - Famouz - AAA
5/5 - Cutting Circles - AAA
5/5 - Carrousel Paradise - AAA
5/5 - Epic - AAA*
5/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - AAA
5/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - AAA
5/5 - Tribal Transcendency - AAA
5/5 - ASB - AAA
5/5 - Wish (For FFR) - AAA
4/4 - CIA Rave - AAA
4/4 - Neon-213 - AAA
4/4 - Secrets and Lies - AAA
4/4 - Endless Dream - AAA
4/4 - Seven - AAA
4/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - AAA
4/4 - Robotix - AAA
4/4 - Attack of One Minute - AAA
4/4 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star v2 - AAA
4/4 - ESC - Super Version - AAA*
4/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - AAA
4/4 - Z - AAA
4/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - AAA
4/4 - Carol Megamix - AAA
4/4 - Tension - AAA
4/4 - Sensorium - AAA
4/4 - Mother Of God - AAA
4/4 - Etude To A Dragon - AAA
4/4 - Hyper Pressure - AAA
4/4 - MAX Forever - 2 or fewer
4/4 - Fantranstic - AAA
4/4 - Uber Rave V2 - AAA
4/4 - Deep Breath - AAA
4/4 - Playdoh - AAA
4/4 - Delirium - AAA
7/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - Single Digit Good
7/8 - Nova Pulser - 4(11) or fewer
6/7 - Southern Cross - 5 or fewer
6/7 - None Would Escape - 5 or fewer
6/7 - Melonman's OP - 5 or fewer
6/7 - HELLBEAT - Single Digit Good (10)
6/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3 - 8 or fewer
6/7 - End Night - 5 or fewer
6/7 - Balloon Fever - 5 or fewer
6/7 - Turbulence - 4 or fewer
6/7 - Silence - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Over the Rave - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Adult's Sketchbook - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy] - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Szamar Madar - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Judgment Days - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Gaussian Blur 2 - 2 or fewer
5/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - 3 or fewer*
5/6 - R176 - 5 or fewer
5/6 - Air - 5 or fewer
5/6 - {Frozen} - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Classical Insanity - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Coat Czech - 4 or fewer
5/6 - Gradeus - 2(4) or fewer*
5/6 - Legend - 3 or fewer
5/6 - Force Of Light - 4 or fewer
4/5 - StarmineX -HappyHyperStarmiX- - 5 or fewer
4/5 - BB Euro - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Cold Breath - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Dokudenpa - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Idol (Aniko is Pojinju Mix) - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Takecore of Yourself - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Be Princess - 5 or fewer
4/5 - {Rose} - 5 or fewer
4/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Kick Your A - 4 or fewer
4/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - 5 or fewer
4/5 - Evil Approaches - 3 or fewer
4/5 - Get Down - 5 or fewer
3/4 - GO! - 4 or fewer
3/4 - {Blaze} - 5 or fewer
3/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - 3 or fewer
7/9 - Crowdpleaser - 1,400,000 or higher
6/8 - BB Evolution - 40 or fewer
6/8 - Rottel-da-station - 15 or fewer
5/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - 60 or fewer
5/7 - Kyuin - 15 or fewer
5/7 - PLANETZ - 12 or fewer
5/7 - Sympathizer - 10 or fewer
5/7 - Rondo Alla Turca - 20 or fewer
5/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5 - 15 or fewer
5/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - 20 or fewer
4/6 - Abtrusity - Single Digit Good
4/6 - Uber Rave - 7 or fewer
4/6 - Love Cheat! - 15 or fewer
4/6 - Pretty Green Onions - 15 or fewer
4/6 - Splash Beats - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Klung Kung - 20 or fewer
2/4 - AAA - 20 or fewer
6/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 2,200,000 or higher
5/8 - Gaussian Blur - 25 or fewer
5/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1 - 25(26) or fewer
5/8 - Lawn Wake IV - 30 or fewer
4/7 - For FFR - 25 or fewer
4/7 - Choprite - 40 or fewer
4/7 - Midnight Dragon - 30 or fewer
4/7 - Vertex BETA - 50 or fewer
0/4 - Duality - Requirements
5/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - 80 or fewer
5/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - 2,100,000 or higher
4/8 - Turkish March - 60 or fewer
0/5 - Infernoplex - Requirements
0/5 - Wisdom - Requirements
0/5 - Innocent Decay - Requirements
4/9 - Molto Vivace - 1,200,000 or higher
4/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - 1,300,000 or higher
0/6 - Monstrous Turtles! - Requirements
0/6 - Love Coloured Master Spark - Requirements
3/9 - BB Revenge - 2,600,000 or higher
0/7 - Epidermis - Requirements
2/9 - One Minute Waltz - 700,000 or higher
2/9 - Revolutionary Etude - 1,320,000 or higher
2/9 - Pants - 2,800,000 or higher
0/8 - AIM Anthem - Requirements
0/8 - Strangeprogram - Requirements
1/9 - Caprice - 1,100,000 or more
posting tier list to example my agreement with rubix lol. sry not trying to be annoying. as you can see, i did my best for a very long time on a lot of the 8 and 7 pointers, and even a few of the 9 pointers but i'll always get slaughtered by those few 4 and 5 pointers that i'll never feel the need to play. why should i sit down and play duality for 45 minutes so i dont get an avmiss at the end when obviously I am good enough to AAA it. epidermis i have 2-1-1-2 or something similar, but that is a lot worse than someone who good-attacks it for the FC.
and AAAs have nothing to do with skill, they should be saved for the importance of avg rank and have no effect on tier points. if any of those other songs were indicative of skill then they would be on the list.
also if GO and Visions and MAX Forever are hard enough for this list then so are Faces and Switchback =X
also am i still the only one who thinks the EHHS req's are too easy, ESPECIALLY when compared to other 8 pointers and several 7 pointers? :\
/rant
tl;dr version: rubix is right, bitch about easy songs, ehhs is still ****ed.
EDIT: LOL not on the top player list hahahaha. ps dore, id have a lot fewer AAAs if i bothered to hit tier 1 again :P