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Another Religion Thread... Cause its fun.
Ok... two questions for christianity. Just looking for some honest opinions / bible mumbo gumbo :D
1) If those who do not beleive that christ is the savior, or rather do not beleive in god at all go to hell... does this mean all people before Jesus was alive got automatic passes to hell? If you said this is explained because jesus was forgiving them with his death... then... 2) After his death... if a person is never exposed to christian beleifs... does he also automatically go to hell? Because he certainly wouldnt make up the religion on his own accord... (People raised in non-christian comunities, who may never leave them) So in turn... is most everyones religion not simply which religion is bestowed upon them at a young age and merely brainwashed to become fact/truth in their eyes? Religion = tradition? Or is a repeatedly re-translated the books the best foundation for a persons style of living and beleif system... I don't know. But I'd like to. Edit: Oh yeah... another note... eternity of suffering and misery in exchange for 60-80 years of ignorance? DO you see any structural flaw here? Sigh. Re-analyze. |
you aren't going to find the answer in the flashflashrevolution forums.
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But i can try!!!!!!
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you're right
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Ok ok... copy and paste time!!! whats a major christian site?!?!
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Re: Another Religion Thread... Cause its fun.
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2) No. 2b) People often change their religion during the course of their life. the bible is a guide. where, besides its teachings, would morality be taught? |
People do change... but MANY don't, and NO isnt a very good answer to 2... sigh, care to explain?
What happens? You are reborn witha new chance to have christianity brought upon you? Or maybe you are put in a room with a bible and a playboy... and if you pick the wrong one, you are banished. heh. |
you don't have to be christian to go to heaven. god is compassionate.
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Hmm... thats not what Catholic's are telling me...
And also... people made the bible... and people also made morality... neither just appeared. Morality existed WAY before the bible. |
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When it comes to religion, most of us are instilled with the fundamental knowledge as young children, and the church-going after that is supposed to bolster your beliefs and have you accept it yourself.
When we're very young, we have naive beliefs that we follow because we are supposed to. The real test of faith is whether or not you still follow those beliefs when you get old enough to really think about it. Therefore, there really isn't any "brainwashing" involved, but rather laying the foundation. Regarding the pre-Christ people, they just had a brief respite in Purgatory until He died (unless they lived a life meritorious of hell). Regarding the group in your number 2, I can say Southern Baptists would answer a resounding "YES", but I like to believe in a more merciful result that would probably include Purgatory. I'll have to check the Catechism of the Catholic Church for a definite answer and get back on that. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com/ |
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--Guido http://andy.mikee385.com/ |
at least you gave a sensible answer :) without the usual "im christian im right" ring... ;)
Also, what about the hell thing... i slapped it in my first post earlier, a lifetime of ignorance payed for by an eternity in hell?... How is this merciful? edit - sp |
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The stories did not invent morality... so they are not the only things to teach it. |
http://www.religioustolerance.org/purgatory.htm
Mmmmm, burn those sins from their souls... So, if you never know that christianity exists... you must endure the most terrible pain imaginable... YAY MERCY! |
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I'm still trying to work on the hell/ignorance thing. However, you're right; that doesn't seem very merciful, and that's where I disagree with many of my Baptist friends. Note for the "I'm Christian; I'm right" comment: Hearing that absolutely sickens me. This is a thread about Christianity, and I'm trying to give responses based on generally accepted Christian beliefs (although some may be a little weird to non-Catholics), so I may make my statements matter-of-factly. However, I recognize and respect other views, which is a luxury I didn't receive growing up in one of the most Baptist towns in the nation (Waco, Texas). Many of my friends had the "No, you're wrong, I'm right" mentality, and it is disgusting. I hope to not see it in this thread. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com/ |
Purgatory is not typically viewed as a place of punishment. There are references to a "purifying fire", but it is a test of purity, not punishment for sins. The "torment" involved in Purgatory is simply the separation from God, but even that will be remitted once the soul is pure enough to enter heaven. Purgatory is simply a holding place. You're guaranteed admission into heaven once there, but you need to "clean up" before you enter, and you can do this with the help of the prayers of the living.
--Guido http://andy.mikee385.com/ |
I'm not a fan of it either... and I'm in east Texas... where we have a crapload of "I'm right you're wrong" action... it's annoyin. Also, Im not out to bash christianity, I'm just asking about some of its weakpoints / personal unknowns
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So are you saying everyone goes to heaven? If they go through purgatory? Or rather... does everyone make it to purgatory?
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Side note: Is this just between Susugam and me, or is just past everyone's bedtime? --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com/ |
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