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Oh, sorry. That's what I meant. I guess I phrased it wrong. |
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Why should we decide who lives and who dies? IMHO it shouldn't be a human right.
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the death penalty is the best way for certin situations like if that person kills another then that person must face the penalty so bad karma pretty much
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Also, the cost to give somebody the death penalty is quite a sum compared to just giving them life in prison.
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I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. He's opposing the death penalty in his post because he opposes the right to kill others. He doesn't think it any fairer to kill a murderer than for a murderer to kill his victim. He did not say it was a right of the murderer to kill in the first place. Either you overlooked part of his post or your trying to twist his words. Neither of your outlooks are really important to me, I was just trying to clear a misunderstanding. Personally, I think the murderer should choose his form of punishment, whether it be prison, death, or any reasonable justification. |
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He didn't say it was right of the murderer to kill. What he -did- say was "Does that mean that the murderer has more of the right to judge who can live and who can't than a twelve person unbiased jury?"
The blatant implication of that statement is "If the murderer can kill people, then the justice system can also kill people" |
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In a roundabout way, maybe. Either way, it's irrelevant. He doesn't believe in the right to kill, whether it be a person or a group of people. 2 + 2 = 4 -2 + -2 = -4 2 + 2 ≠ -2 + -2 Just because he believes that a jury has the same right to kill as a person does, doesn't mean that he believes either have the right to kill. |
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Except he clearly does, as he's been in support of the death penalty for the whole discussion.
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He clearly supports murder. |
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I would much rather be killed then serving the remainder off my years in the torture of prison. So I think your doing the criminals a favor by ending it much sooner.
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I completely agree. Life in prison is life spent miserably and life wasted. |
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An eye for an eye.
And I have to agree with tuv. Even though the death penalty is meant to torture them, it is actually helping them. Also, recent studies show that death row inmates are more likely to be well-behaved in prison, because they have nothing left to fight for. |
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The fact that the judge has proven that they are worthy to decide a person's fate by a long journey of being a lawyer, or other legal official, and shown their honor is what gives them the right to decide a murderers fate, as well. If this isn't proof enough, let's give a real example. How about someone like Hitler. Would he hat deserved prison, where he could escape and run another holocaust? No. In some instances, where it's dangerous to keep the suspect alive, they must die. If it risks the greater good to simply keep a killer alive, they should be executed. |
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To your specific example: "Run another holocaust"?!? Do you seriously think that if Hitler had been captured at the end of the war and sentenced to say, life in solitary confinement subsisting on bread and water with no contact to the outside world, he could a) escape b) evade recapture c) somehow manage to get re-elected to the leadership of a country with a functioning military and d) persuade that country to start persecuting another race? How ridiculous can you get? Your example is nonsense, and does nothing at all to prove your point. |
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Violence is an otherwise endless cycle of vengeance that does not stop until one of the involved stops voluntarily. The death penalty is hypocritical, state-supported violence that de-legitimizes law enforcement.
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I am too fscking lazy to read through this entire thread, but I will say this.
The death penalty, to me, sends a conflicting message. Say a criminal murders a few people because he feels the victims deserve death given some justification. So, in return, our justice system says "Murdering people is wrong and punishable by death" and so, using that justification, we execute that criminal. The reason why I feel there's a gray line here is because we're technically using some sort of rationalization to justify killing, much like in the same vein that the criminal did when he executed his victim. What makes our justice system somehow inherently "above" abiding by this right? I just don't see why one has "more of a right" to kill a killer than a killer does his victim. I think killing is not justifiable by any entity, no matter the circumstances. Besides, it costs a LOT more to execute someone than it does to throw them in jail and feed them for life. The paperwork/legalities involved are so incredibly dense (I recall seeing something on TV where they give you an idea what all has to go into an execution, legally speaking -- and it's absolutely disgusting). http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42 Anyways, I just feel that the moral implications involved, coupled with the high costs, make the death penalty something I generally disagree with. Besides, if someone commits atrocious murders, I'd rather they be tossed into jail for life. That kind of long-term suffering is, to me, a far more reasonable punishment for taking the lives of others, especially when compared to actually executing them in return for their crimes. Besides, the death penalty is, uh, permanent. There have been cases where innocent people have been wrongfully exterminated. At least in jail you have the opportunity to be released if new evidence exonerates you far beyond reasonable doubt (and they do compensate you for your time spent in prison). If you're dead, you can't really do a whole lot. They compensate the surviving family members, I believe, but at that point I don't think money can possibly replace the death of a wrongfully executed family member. |
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