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For a start we are talking about "eros" love.
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Love is suppose to be selfless, so your opinion about love being possessive isn't based on pure love but twisted love. Could you give some examples of where you think love can't be justified by its "shadows" that you claim it to cast. |
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Note: I am a logical person who needs proof to be certain in something. Aka, I don't believe in religion, however I believe in the POSSIBILITY that it COULD be true (Aka, agnostic).
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Love is a feeling of great passion towards another self or being. Everyone has love assuming there is a need of approval within them. Think about it. All people need to be told they have done a good job or they become untrusting and depressive. The person they find this in is the one they "love". Whether they find that for a moment, a while, or long term, that is what we consider to be love.
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Love is fake in so many ways... there are only a few things that real love is. That, too, is what makes us what we call "human". We are too species and arrogant, but not as much as so to many species to we seen and to a majority. There are low lifes who take "love" for granted and crap, but it is hard to explain, because animals that aren't human don't exactly "love".
You can see this on the fact that animals don't have to travel far and long to find a mate. They do it quick and through calls and stuff of that sort. Love is an advanced brain function, we may find out what love really is later, as of now, most things are theory and what not. If I don't make sense, don't worry. I am saying this as I go. XD (any spelling or grammar errors, please correct me, especially if you're a forum mod/admin etc.) |
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Pure love is the selfless affection that one person feels towards another.
So using that definition, pure love should and can only be a positive thing. Can you please give some examples of some sort of what you are trying to get at here. |
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My biology teacher said that the only purpose of life is surviving. Surviving by being the strongest, hunting down preys to feed yourself up and by passing on your gens. So the brain invent an attraction, a need to find someone else, to keep your ascendence alive.
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Being in the 9th grade, like almost every other high school the freshman are givin Romeo and Juliet to read as part of the curriculum. Now I didn't finish reading the book yet but as to what i know of it and what i hear about it, the two young lovers seem to do whatever it takes to share their love together with one another as much as possible. Now I mean I know its just a story but they were practically kids and maybe attracted physically so much that they thought it was astrological as I remember. One last thing that you should consider is that the possibility of possessivness just being a "tag" that us humans created out of the ego, which i believe to be true as for my knoledge holds. And a pure relationship is one of no possession but rather depossession ... if thats even a word. See its a bit hard to explain so ill put it this way, I believe a true marriage is the unification of man and woman so that they not physically, but spiritually become one. While it may be hard to imagine this being possible now adays im sure it was possible back then when there was less interference and more self, self being detatchment from all things except ones self and being purely you. So my conclusion is that a pure relationship is two people in purity, totally their complete self living together in harmony as themselves, not as wife or husband but as one. |
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Love is merely another feeling that is triggered from your brain.
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I'm also not quite sure what you mean by "I have yet to see purity in love because its immensely political." but I'm assuming that you mean that love is so variable with so many interpretations that it would be difficult to find pure love? and even that in itself is variable. lol i'd love to discuss this with you as i too have alot of unanswered questions that i want clarified but i think we both could use a little more clarification. Well those last questions you asked in your statement are very deep in philisophy atleast to my belief and alot of this is opinion based because if anything were proven to be true, there would nothing to be debated about ... except its being proven true be proven true ... ugh confusing. But ANYWAY I believe that EVERYTHING in nature is one because we are all composed of the same atomic unit, which are atoms! But not only in that are we similar but in spirituality. As for how they feel ... I'm not quite sure since i haven't experienced this for myself but i would presume they would feel EXTREMELY happy, or just not feel at all. And the last statement is easy to dispute because what i'm about to tell you might make the most sense out of what im saying, when we are brought into this world we are ourselves and purely that, as we gain knoledge and understanding we start to drift apart from ourselves, but not in all cases. Anyway, in relation to this topic i believe a pure relationship if composed of two pure people, they don't justify that they are pure, that would be considered using the ego, they just are like the clouds and animals, they just are. Without knowing. I know it is SO HARD to imagine something like this being possible because of our society's influence on our minds but you can't say that it is not possible because you can't prove its not, and if so please do ^_^ I remember this statement from a modern day philosopher known as Michael Tsarion that sort of opened my eyes a bit. And this is not an exact quote but a dog does not see a human for what the humans see themselves as, the dog sees the human for what it purely is, while you can't really prove it, as you can't really prove much it is something i believe because dogs don't have the capacity to logically think things out, so according to my believe they are pure because of that. |
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IDK what love is. I feel that love is a stronger feeling of likeliness towards another individual but I also feel that no one can truly know what love really is because to love is to be infatuated so love is basically infatuation. Love seems to be a non-existent feeling. But that's just how I feel other people are entitled to their own opinion concerning love.
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Love is everything that hate is not. Funny how no one seems to have a hard time describing how much they can hate someone...........
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Love is where your heart is.
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We can play the semantics game all day long, but I'll go ahead and define it.
It's the summation of various feelings/senses, and definitely has a neurochemical basis probably centralized in the limbic system. At the most basic level, I would characterize it by strong affection, attachment and lust all rolled into one, though I suppose it can be broken up into any of those alone in certain circumstances. From there, you could break those 3 feelings down by neurotransmitter and cortical area. Some of the culprits should be obvious. Testosterone and estrogen are definitely the driving factor in sexual attraction. Attachment is largely controlled by posterior pituitary hormones, and affection by dopamine, serotonin, epi/norepi and probably NGF. You could consider love as a larger phenomenon, i.e. a social and cultural one as well. This starts to become complex, as social and cultural factors can bend and shape the manifestation of the neurochemical basis of love. As such, it's not hard to see that this complexity makes it hard to talk about and define love, as it is can't be described by only the chemical level, the individual level or the population level. You would need to integrate all of these factors into a coherent model before you could adequately describe love, but I don't think it's necessary in order to understand what it is. It's an affectionate emotion that bonds people, stemming from processes and natural drives inside of your brain that branches off and is molded by social and cultural factors. More specifically, wiki defines it well: "love is a type of interpersonal relationship where mutual assumption of good faith results in a state of emergence, i.e. constituents individually perceive the group's social evolution as both beneficial and greater than what could be achieved by the sum of the relationship's parts." |
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Love is an emotion.
When responding to another poster, Zythus said that religion doesn't come into play here, but I disagree. Religion is so widespread and popular because it elicits strong, positive emotions, like love. I think that the most 'pure' form of love, ie: a love which exists with the least amount of, apparently, negative things like possesiveness, is love one feels for God. I'm guessing you've never been religious Zythus, or if you have, it's been more of a practice than a feeling, but even then, you should be able to ponder at some of the actions people who worship god do. People at christian rallies act like buffoons. They look absolutely ecstatic about it too. They worship God. Worship is a form of love which does not carry negativity in it. It's just hard to worship a real person, because everyone has flaws. God, by definition, doesn't. As to possessiveness, there's enough God to go around, and people who are in love with God want to spread the news about God because it feels so ****ing awesome and it's good to share love. Love where someone does not see the other person's flaws does happen, I've seen it, but after spending so much time with a person, this view eventually dissipates. Worship of a person is also rather stupid, because it allows for things Hitler's reign of terror. God in actuality is neither evil or good, it's just a concept, but most religions have centered around them that you are to be nice to other people. |
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Love is the first stage of Cannibalism.
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Love is stupid I'd rather just get to the point of it all if you know what I mean. 8)
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I believe that love is the longing to find something that completes you, and shows who you are. The things you love are what defines you. I believe that patience is also important when it comes to love, thats why so many people get divorced in modern times: their longing for love blinds them to the facts that point away from that particular relationship working out.
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Nyokou, you don't need to be loved to love -_____-
You could love someone and they might not love you back. It's called "not getting someone you love" lol. Love is a the strong pleasant emotion to another person, whether it is one way or not. At the same time, love could simply be a burning illusion, and sometimes you should turn the page in your life before it gets f*cking scortched =]. |
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Let's all just close our eyes, think really hard, and pretend all those horrible off-topic, silly, trolly, flamey posts never happened.
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reach's post is too long to quote but i completely agree with it
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While it certainly would have been -more correct- to properly attribute his quotation to its source; since this is just a discussion forum, and not any sort of academic circle where he is submitting these works as necessarily his own, I don't feel that there's anything actually -rulebreaking- about posting from somewhere else as long as you don't actually claim that you came up with it on your own. In the interests of clearing up the confusion, I'm editting Guru's post to reflect that he is quoting from somewhere else. Also, and you can thank Afrobean for showing me that I really do need to apply my moderator powers properly in all cases, I'll also be retroactively banning the users who took part in the postwhoring, the trolling, and the flaming in response to Guru's post. Please ensure that you've both read -and- understood the rules of this forum before you post here. The onus is on you to follow the rules when you post here, and you won't be getting additional warnings since the rules are clearly located, and direct you to read them before posting. |
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Love is something what you like, just next step from it.
It's really nice feeling, which warms up your body. ^^ |
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I think love is an emotional reaction to people who really understand you and your situation. Those people who you feel understand you, you can ask for advice, say anything that you want to them, etc, etc. You like, you love, to be around them because of these reasons.
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I am constantly trying to work this out. At school I made a huge presentation on the fact that none of us (us as in, 16 year olds) don't know what love is yet, so it's impossible to comment on.
I know I've been through two stages though - liking someone and just being completely obsessed with someone to the point of thinking about them almost all the time, but I'm absolutely sure that's not love. |
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**** love yo ;_;
i miss you baby D: |
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Woooooo!! Im in love :D
Yes i sure am. I met her on FFR haha pretty awesome. |
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Then you won't receive the same level of love you would as if you knew them in real life.
Love has many levels -liking someone would probably be so mild, it's in another category, which is "liking someone" -Internet love lolololololololol -loving someone, where you think about them often -obsession, you can't stop thinking about them. This is bad for a number of reasons. -loving someone while they love you back. Love to be honest, is quite the "vague" term. There are loads of ways to describe it, and define it. |
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Love: a single word expressing a wide gamma of feelings of affection. "Love" for person a =/= "love" for person b until you come up with a standard for love, which means quantifying every single action, thought and preposition, it's pointless find a shared answer. love differs from one to the other just like the experiences he's/she's received (therefore love is likely to be different for everyone) BUT somewhat watered down in difference by the examples the media and the outside world keeps pushing into us. |
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[Apologizes to Danny for hypocrisy] Love may as well be different for everyone, but our brains are all engineered in the same way. Who knows hehe. |
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so trying to shoot me down wont really work, but i wish you luck i actually believe in myself and this relationship. I have seen them work. my friend Zach actually moved to texas this year to go live with his girlfriend and things seem to be going great for them. I know a lot of relationships do not work out but there are those few that do and who knows ours just might be one of those so im not willing to give up just because of a few fights, and i know she isnt either. |
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First off, this is not a chit chat place to talk about your own relationships. Its entirely conceptual and is based off of CRITICAL THINKING. Kindly go away or post more wisely.
Anyway to answer the original question you have to look at all the defining characteristics. When you try to define it you will likely run into many different levels of such an emotion. I will assume you have already come to the conclusion that love is an emotion of several levels of severity since you call for a definition of "pure love". Like reach said, its a culmination of aspects. However if you were to ask me of a simple personal opinion i would say that you would define pure love as sacrificial devotion with the most correct intentions behind it (i say intentions loosely because i know many people will argue the semantics of 'intentions'). We as humans recognize that the highest form of bonding with someone is complete devotion, whether that is seen as only loving one individual or simply having an (un)spoken trust with someone else, etc. Of course devotion in of itself has varying levels, this is why i bring up sacrifice. You can see all around in our media or even daily life how the idea of sacrificing yourself for someone else is seen as the ultimate act of kindness, as in sacrificing your time and service to help someone less fortunate or even just simply doing something that inconveniences you with the only hope of reimbursement being that you helped someone else. So when you throw those two together i believe you can come up with a definition that attempts to scratch the surface. However, i will say this. Love is a different thing to different people. Our own personal definitions vary based on a vast amount of things. That being said, i think it is impossible to define love, or rather "pure love", as pertaining to everyone because it is an emotion that is inherently different for every person. Although, if you want to try anyway, you can gather up some common traits or feelings someone comes upon in their own situation and use that culmination of broadly accepted feelings to describe it. Just understand that it IS different, as well as different on varying levels, for every person and therefore is mostly opinionated and situational definitions. The funniest thing about love in my personal opinion is how often times it is thought of as a spectrum with respect to hate, whereas love being on one side and hate the opposite. At the same time however, it is thought of as having a thin line between love and hate seeing as how one can jump from one to the other very easily. So just for some food for thought questions; is it a spectrum or a line to cross? In the case of the line, does that suggest that even 'pure love' can get easily pushed across the line under the right circumstances? Or in the case of the spectrum does that suggest sometimes as you approach the end of one side you see traits exhibited on the opposite end? I for one think of it as two sides of the same coin. Although they are very distinctly recognized as opposites, with enough force you can change the side of the coin that is facing up. And in that respect, sometimes your chances at either is decided by that 50-50 attempt at a flip of a coin. |
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'pure love' can. Virtually everything can break given the right circumstances.
I believe instead of a spectrum or a line, it's both. You go from one end to the other of the spectrum. beinning of spectrum-hate middle of spectrum-idc lololol end of spectrum-love yah so when you get to the end, and something pushes you over, you end up back where you started. Hate. Although if you get pushed in a different direction somehow, you may end up being lost, and perhaps end up somewhere within the midde. I love how cheesy this topic got when xealix got here. Have fun with my metaphors too rofl. |
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"Or in the case of the spectrum does that suggest sometimes as you approach the end of one side you see traits exhibited on the opposite end?"
So you mean you think it might be that the spectrum is circular? I don't think I agree with either the line or spectrum thing, although I'm not sure I fully understand the line thing. I understand the love/hate being opposite perception, but when I think about it, I certainly don't agree with it. I think that hate and love may be close in that they are both very strong emotions, and one only experiences strong emotions when they care, or if not 'care', the focus of your hate is someone who matters. You can't hate someone you don't care about. On a slightly different note, things like respect and admiration can make up 'love'. They can also be part of a reason to hate someone too though, like if you're in competition with them. |
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::In my opinion love is a varying concept, ranging from person-to-person in varying levels. -Love does not necessarily imply attraction (Parent to child) -Love can be imposed (Someone may dislike their parent, but they still love them) -Love does not have to be expressed towards a living thing (A man loves money because he enjoys it and finds it as a source of happiness) -Love can be artificial (you can love an imaginary character or think you love someone you don't even know, however as Sarahxjane mentioned, it is triggered by your brain, such as hormones; this can also be a lustful notion) -Love can be wonderful, but it can be blinding (sometimes causing rational people to become irrational because they are unwilling to believe anything they may love could ever hurt them as it causes them great joy) There's no need to overcomplicate what love is. Just find what it means to YOU. Yes? Yes. |
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You can not care about someone and hate them. You could not care about whatever **** happens to the moron, and you could totally hate them. Dude, the spectrum is not circular. How'd you get that. I simply used a metaphor to help represent it, because it's tricky otherwise. No circle. Metaphor. |
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Doesn't not caring for someone imply that you are emotionally detached from them? If that's the case, then you can't really hate them.
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I only hate people who I know. If I don't care about someone, then why would I hate them? I'd be indifferent towards them. I can only hate someone if they affect me in some way, shape or form, hence I care about them in some way, shape or form. You hate people who do or who express things you find distasteful, whos morals and values are opposite yours, or someone who's wronged you. In all those cases, you have some sort of 'relationship' with them. Hate is similar to love in that they're both strong feelings about someone. Furthermore, you are more apt to hate someone who you love when they wrong you than someone you don't know. eg: Pretend your mom sells you into slavery. Do you hate your mom or the slaver worse? Also, I wasn't responding to anything you said when I was talking about a spectrum, I was responding to slipstrike, hence the quote from him. |
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If my mom sold me into slavery, then okay. I hate her then. No love left at all. Unless there was circumstances involved, example: she had to otherwise 10 other people would die.
I've learnt that grieving or living in the past is wasted energy. Moving ahead is an entirely new thing. Although your example was sh*t in the sense that the chances of that happening are practically nil. Also, you just used your own definition of "knowing" someone. Perhaps you don't really know them at all. Maybe you either think or believe. Who knows ;]. |
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Wow Angel, that sounded just like something I'd say xD.
We're speaking about hate in the extreme sense. At least, that's what it seems to be. We're using the word as it's meant to be used. |
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As a young teen I use to believe love was all I needed and that I would find it one day. As an older teen, I believe in no such thing. Love has been proven to be a slight obsession with a person. It all has to do with chemicals in the brain and stuff, that make you feel well like your "in love".
Personally I think that we can love, but not be in love. The being in love I am talking about is.. "I am so in love with him, and he is the one I know I am going to spend the rest of my life with" etc |
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Damn you, its stuck in my head now.
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I do agree that people abuse love. Unfortunately people will say I love you for selfish reasons like money and will sugarcoat their true intent with an act that will surely sucker whoever they are with into giving them what they want. As far as the possessive terms like MY husband and MY wife, can mean different things for different couples. I say it's only possessive when pure love doesn't back up the term. |
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Pure love is a selfless devotion of one's person to the well being of another. Or, if you truelly love someone, your only thought and desires toward that person are simply to make them happy.
Someone asked earlier for an example of an act of pure love, and no one gave one. As a father I can tell you that if I had to make a choice between the life of my child or my own life, I would instantlly choose to die so my child could live. Some say this may be instinct, but if that's the case, then is love nothing more then the strongest of primal instincts? I don't belive so, otherwise we ( and other animals ) would not greive over the loss of one we loved. And even if it is just a strong natural instinct ment by nature to keep bonds in place for the betterment of the survival of the species, it still makes the chemical reactions no less meaningfull. Almost all animals will grieve over the loss of one of thier own. Some animals have even been known, after lossing thier own offspring, to care for another, even ones outside of thier own species. While this may seem more chemical and instictual then emotional and spiritual to some, it STILL retains the emotional and spiritual elements, regardless of the cause and effect. Just my 2 cents. |
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Plain and simply put: Love is the spirit of dedication to the people closest to you such as friends and relatives.
Based on this definition, you cannot 'love' a physical object such as your Game Boy or a computer. You feel attachment and the need to have it, however it is not a person, so it does not meet the criteria of the definition; it is not love. |
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"Is that the love of a man for a woman, or the love of a man for a fine cuban cigar?" /Simpsons We clearly use the word in relation to non-persons all the time. I don't think we're just -misusing- the word, I think you're being too restrictive in your definition. |
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Do you honestly think you'd only hate her, and not love her anymore? What would you feel if you were to think about times when she protected you, showed her love for you, after you'd been sold into slavery? Thinking things like that would hurt like hell, and it would fuel my hatred for her even more. |
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This is an easy one!
Love is selfishness. You can make it as flowery as you want, with beautiful words and emotions, but in the end love is just a strong desire for something. When you want something so bad that you can't see living without it, it is often called "true love." Is dying for something really selfless though? You are still doing it for yourself. You WANT that person to live more than yourself. That's not very beautiful though is it? But just consider WHY you would rather give up your life than a loved one. If they died in your place how would you feel? Wouldn't you be miserable? Why would you want to continue living knowing that you would be miserable? In the end, isnt dying for someone pretty selfish too, cause how are they going to feel after you die? You can say that they will get over it, and get to continue living, but you don't KNOW that they will get over it. You don't consider their thoughts or feelings on the situation, because your own mind is all you understand. In the end there is nothing "selfless" about love, or any other emotion for that matter. |
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haha, love.. i'm going to sum this up (if it hasn't already) in a sentence.. Love is the connection that two people feel towards each other, regardless of age, sex, race, creed, religion, etc etc etc.
so yea. doesn't really take a whole lot to think about love when it really comes down to the X's and O's of the topic, eh? |
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