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Specforces 04-1-2004 07:03 AM

Civil Disobedience- A misinterpretation by many
 
Civil disobedience is simply taking the law into your own hands ....doing what YOU want to do, regardless of the legality of it. It's clearly illegal, it clearly should be punished.

Civil disobedience is sure sign of a lack of law and law enforcement. The courts have avenues through which laws can be challenged and changed. Taking the law into your own hands, regardless of the ends and means situation, is wrong, is illegal.

The al Queda, Hamas and other terrorists are doing just that ....taking the law into their own hands. And, I might add, you can find many here who'll attempt to justify the murdering of innocent civilians as a means to an end.

The murdering of four US civilians in Fallujah today is a prime example of "civil disobedience". Is that something that you want to condon?


Specforces

makaveli121212 04-1-2004 09:18 PM

well, i think you are taking it a little out of context...killing people is not civil disobedience by any means...civil disobedience is civil, peaceful revolution or protesting...at least it is in my mind

VxDx 04-1-2004 09:34 PM

yes. I agree with makaveli. What happened in Iraq is far beyond civil disobdience. It's not right by any means, however it is almost to be expected (not condoned at all though).

perfect_fat 04-1-2004 11:27 PM

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And, I might add, you can find many here who'll attempt to justify the murdering of innocent civilians as a means to an end.
What do you call the Hirsohima bombs? What about the allied bombing of Berlin? Both involved citizens being murdered for an end.

Iraq is a war zone. These people are fighting what they see as an occupying force. What if the Chinese invaded the USA and the way that US invaded Iraq? Would you consider the "pockets of resistance" fighting the occupying force to be unjustified in fighting for what they believe in?

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The al Queda, Hamas and other terrorists are doing just that ....taking the law into their own hands. And, I might add, you can find many here who'll attempt to justify the murdering of innocent civilians as a means to an end.
That's not 100% accurate. There are secular groups doing the exact same thing in Iraq. The majority don't want an islamic state.

The way the news is presenting the situation, in my opinion, is that we know what is best for the iraqi people and they are basically disruptive children who won't listen to reason. They're angry, and they want the US out of their country. So much so, that they're willing to kill and die for it. That's patriotism.

If anybody ever tried to invade my country and impose their will on me, and I didn't like it, I'd fight to my last breath.

makaveli121212 04-2-2004 07:13 PM

well the title of this thread i did neglect taking into consideration...maybe i am misunderstanding you spec...are you saying that this stuff going on in iraq is people misinterpretting civil disobedience

Specforces 04-2-2004 07:19 PM

Yeah now that I think about it, Civil Disobedience wasn't the right wording. Oh well. Yes Perfectfat, patriotism is better suited.

Specforces

perfect_fat 04-2-2004 10:14 PM

People don't like be lead by the hand and told that what's being done is what is better for them.

I agree with civil disobedience in extreme circumstances. If we allow these huge parties that have run our countries for decades push us around, they won't stop. If you let somebody mess with you at work or school, then they'll keep pushing it further and further. You can either sit back and take it, or fight back.

I don't agree with any of the violence in Iraq by any side, but I don't think the US should have been there in the first place. It's a war for oil, and if Bush simply would have said that, I think there would be a lot more support for the current bloodbath.

Every day people commit acts of civil disobedience. They speed in their cars because they think the limit isn't high enough, they j-walk because they don't think the crosswalks are close enough, and they take illegal drugs because they want to. Unfortunately, most people only do this hoping they won't get caught, which kind of takes away the purpose of civil disobedience. Thoreau stopped paying his taxes because he didn't agree with the US govt. He went to jail and served his time. Now, he is remembered as a great american because of walden (a terrible book that I couldn't even force myself to read).

DracIV 04-17-2004 10:16 PM

Civil disobedience is semi-peaceful actions in my mind. Fallujah was far beyond that. The stuff in Fallujah goes beyond all morals and ethics. Killing your "occupiers" is one thing. Making a power play is also in that group. But killing your "occupiers" then mutilating their corpses and running around dragging them while screaming babble is going too far. It has been agreed in general that mutilating a corpse and dragging it around while screaming things about your god being great (for helping you mutilate near-defenseless people) is digusting and lacking in morals or ethics and goes far beyond speeding a car or refusing to pay taxes.

Jam930 04-17-2004 10:49 PM

speaking of iraq...asshole democrats voted down bush's request for more money to give the troops in iraq more armored vehicles and supplies which is why there have been so many casualties.


one of my friends was a helicopter pilot there, his copter got shot down week ago and also got shot a couple times, once in the leg, which is why he's not back out there.

=/

DracIV 04-17-2004 11:01 PM

Funny thing recently. The Democrats voted totally against the war in Iraq, said Bush was a loose cannon, fought tooth and nail to prevent any funds from going to the war, but recently they have accused Bush of "not being aggressive enough" of "not attacking soon enough" and of "sending Americans to their deaths" (which, incidentally, is due in to the Democrats fighting against funding), And now Kerry (who was agains the war entirely) is trying to pretend he is more aggressive than Bush and would have gone to war also.

perfect_fat 04-21-2004 03:08 AM

The democrats are just trying to win votes. They're not going to pull out of Iraq, no matter what they say out of either one of their campaigning mouths.

Jam930 04-21-2004 03:19 AM

not only is Kerry 2-faced...but he talks out of his ass.

perfect_fat 04-21-2004 03:23 AM

He's totally into hip hop.

"I'm fascinated by rap and by hip-hop. I think there's a lot of poetry in it. There's a lot of anger, a lot of social energy in it. And I think you'd better listen to it pretty carefully, 'cause it's important."
-John "Anybody but Bush" Kerry

Jam930 04-21-2004 03:33 AM

...he likes hip hop...and that makes him the perfect leader for the united states...

perfect_fat 04-21-2004 05:52 AM

It's better than being a Christian Fundamentalist and a sociopath. *I am refering to George W. Bush Joonya

hitokiri_diesel 04-21-2004 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DracIV
Funny thing recently. The Democrats voted totally against the war in Iraq, said Bush was a loose cannon, fought tooth and nail to prevent any funds from going to the war, but recently they have accused Bush of "not being aggressive enough" of "not attacking soon enough" and of "sending Americans to their deaths" (which, incidentally, is due in to the Democrats fighting against funding), And now Kerry (who was agains the war entirely) is trying to pretend he is more aggressive than Bush and would have gone to war also.

*copies to compy*


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