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alvask8er 03-26-2004 04:57 PM

Nothing can never exist?
 
I have been thinking about this for a while. Im not in any classes that would pertain to this, but i don't think that it is possible for "nothing" to ever exist. True every bit of matter and anti-matter and all that good stuff could be gone, leaving literally nothing, but there would still be an existence...nothing. "Nothing" would be there, existing, right? It could go on forever, if somthing less than nothing could come about, but then whatever that may be would be there and in existence... I dont know it probably is silly to think of such and I can't really seem to explain myself...

Privateer 03-26-2004 05:03 PM

This is basically asking "what is at the end of the universe," a question that has plagued me for years. I think about it way too much.

ultima301 03-26-2004 05:36 PM

One theory is that the universe is a massive sphere that is constantly expanding. Since it is a huge sphere there is no end in theory, by going to the far left you will end up by the far right..but that's only in theory we won't know for sure for a longgg time.

AlbinoLime 03-28-2004 05:04 AM

has anybody here seen The Never Ending Story??? When they are first talking about the nothing and how it sucked up a lake, one of the guys said something like "did it leave a hole?", and the big rock guy said "No, a hole would be something, but this was just nothing." I think that nothing would be nothing, but I also don't think nothing could exist because there will always be something.......hopefully....

JustJono 03-28-2004 11:49 PM

What's nothing? If it was nothing, we wouldn't see it.

Think of nothing. I Bet you can't. Our brains can't process "nothing". It always has to be processing something (thought) etc.

ZEROED 03-28-2004 11:57 PM

I dying thinking, why is there something instead of nothing? Why are we here, why is there a universe?

fusi0n 03-29-2004 12:00 AM

why do we or existence itself have to have a purpose

perfect_fat 03-29-2004 03:12 AM

Nothing is zero. We, as humans, give a value to nothing, therefore for us to picture nothing is impossible. Same as infinte. We can not picture something that is never ending because we have no examples around us to base that nothing on.

I wonder if there are a team of supercomputers trying to calculate pi somewhere, and if they will ever find an end or a repeater.

COBOL 03-29-2004 05:22 PM

supposedly from what I've heard, they found the end of pi

Afrobean 04-8-2004 07:54 PM

COBOL, you truly are the forum asshat

emccky 04-8-2004 08:14 PM

the only thing that i question really right now in the universe is black holes. no one knows if any even exist, nor what they do. there is a theory right now that a black hole lies out on the edge of our galaxy, and is sucking neptune off course which could cause some problems in a couple hundred years.i think this is bullshit, simply i think the sun is not as strong as it was, and that the outer edge planets just arent getting the gravitational pull that they were. hm.. or not.. no one knows. as for the end of the universe, i believe there is no such thing. just think about it, how would it ever end? is there just some wall at the end sort of like the truman show? and then outside that wall is some insane other universe that we have absolutely no clue about? maybe thats where other life forms exist and somehow, someday we will reach all of them. ofcourse, maybe all of this is fake and there is nothing after pluto but space. but i highly doubt taht. Also, has anyone ever thought of how the universe was started? how god came to be, how it all started? why is there life, why is there land, why is there space at all? why is there anything? think about it, if nothing was anywhere and we didnt exist nor did anything. picture this, the entire universe just going away, all of our minds just leaving.

perfect_fat 04-9-2004 12:22 AM

What about the theory that God was a crazy guy crouching behind a bush with a candle yelling things, and moses happenned to walk by?

Feuergeist 04-9-2004 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustJono
What's nothing? If it was nothing, we wouldn't see it.

Think of nothing. I Bet you can't. Our brains can't process "nothing". It always has to be processing something (thought) etc.


Untrue. It is possible to stop your thinking process. Read these lines and stop at a random letter. You'll find its quite easy to think of nothing.

UltimateSoul 04-9-2004 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emccky
the only thing that i question really right now in the universe is black holes. no one knows if any even exist, nor what they do. there is a theory right now that a black hole lies out on the edge of our galaxy, and is sucking neptune off course which could cause some problems in a couple hundred years.i think this is bullshit, simply i think the sun is not as strong as it was, and that the outer edge planets just arent getting the gravitational pull that they were. hm.. or not.. no one knows. as for the end of the universe, i believe there is no such thing. just think about it, how would it ever end? is there just some wall at the end sort of like the truman show? and then outside that wall is some insane other universe that we have absolutely no clue about? maybe thats where other life forms exist and somehow, someday we will reach all of them. ofcourse, maybe all of this is fake and there is nothing after pluto but space. but i highly doubt taht. Also, has anyone ever thought of how the universe was started? how god came to be, how it all started? why is there life, why is there land, why is there space at all? why is there anything? think about it, if nothing was anywhere and we didnt exist nor did anything. picture this, the entire universe just going away, all of our minds just leaving.

I was almost positive that there was an equation that allowed black holes to exist.I never heard about one at the edge of the solar system although I've heard about one at the center of the universe.
Interestingly enough scientists are stil trying to figure out what "nothing" is,same goes for "thought" and "wieghtlessness."
I do agree with the universe itself never ending; if we are to believe the big bang theory, (which I do) then it only seems logical to me that the universe will be expanding for an infinite amount of years.I don't think any "big crunch" will happen.

Jello 04-9-2004 09:30 PM

black holes exist.. they found numerous ammounts of them , the way you find them is a lens like effect from the light of stars... the gravity of black holes is so immense that it can bend light. so all you need to do is find them... and at the center of every galaxie is a super massive blackhole , which keeps all the stars and gas together. that is just the giest of it...the theory is really extensive

alainbryden 04-9-2004 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZEROED
I dying thinking, why is there something instead of nothing? Why are we here, why is there a universe?

Anyone else get the feeling zeroed left because he's going through a suicide phase?

perfect_fat 04-10-2004 02:19 AM

That line fits the profile.

JustJono 04-13-2004 04:48 PM

Yes I guess stopping the thinking process is possible. Actually it's a necessary factor when reaching higher states of consciousness.

And I recently glanced and read through a couple chapters of a book called Creation. Scientific facts proving God's existence (well not necessarily God, but a supernatural intelligence.) Apparently, our universe, just like everything else IN the universe, runs off of entropy. This makes the big bang theory impossible. (Actually I'm not sure why, but I remember reading that somewhere; I don't even think it was in the Creation book - which is a very interesting read, by the way.)

DracIV 04-17-2004 08:42 PM

First, a correction of something said earlier: there is no major blackhole at the edge of our galaxy, the edge of our solar system, or in the center (where is the center?) of the universe, but there is one in the center of our galaxy.

Blackholes exist. When a blackhole is eating a star, they are quite easy to see. I have actually seen a blackhole when it was eating a star. However, not all galaxies necessarily have a blackhole in the center.

alainbryden 04-18-2004 12:36 AM

Every point in the universe is the center of the universe. Infinitely large sphere. Think about it. :P


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