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heyhey111 03-10-2004 10:15 AM

abortion
 
if you were to write a 3 minute speech on you views on abortion how would it go? i will post mine too. (remeber the other side always has a valide point be sure to include their views too).

-heyhey

Laharl 03-10-2004 06:35 PM

You learn in debate classes and in English argumentation essays that you never include the other side of the argument. That's just stupid. Let those that feel that way argue that point, but if you want to make a statement, you have to force your own side and not even really care that there is another side.

My own views on the subject are simple. If the sex that lead to the creation of said baby was consensual (as in, not forced, IE: Rape [and I might add that rape 99.9% of the time does not lead to pregnancy]), then that mother sure as hell better have that kid. Accept responsibilities for your actions. That is my bottom line. If you do not wish to have a child, then you shouldn't be allowed to participate in the action that leads to it.

jewpinthethird 03-10-2004 06:48 PM

We do not need anymore humans on this Earth.

That is all I am going to say.

Here is an 8 page argument on the topic of abortion if you want more of my opinion and others: http://flashflashrevolution.com/inde...dafd1a3f872c1b

VxDx 03-10-2004 07:17 PM

Abortion is not wrong. What else would we use rusty coat hangers for.

*stare at class for remaining 2 minutes and 45 seconds*

makaveli121212 03-10-2004 09:40 PM

murder is wrong...enough said

Anticrombie0909 03-10-2004 10:39 PM

That's true, murder is wrong. Abortion, however, the destroying of cells, is not murder.

Omeganitros 03-10-2004 10:46 PM

Murder is wrong, that's true. However, abortion, is not murder (or so I believe), because you cannot kill (make dead) what has not even lived (or what I believe is living) yet.

BluE_MeaniE 03-10-2004 10:48 PM

I agree fully. Or I would have, until that damn Chardish made me rethink my whole stand on this subject. Only on the facts that it seems a fetus is living. I still disagree about the whole sex stand some people took on it, which is why I just don't know.
Now, I agree for the most part.

fusi0n 03-11-2004 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VxDx
Abortion is not wrong. What else would we use rusty coat hangers for.

*stare at class for remaining 2 minutes and 45 seconds*

write that down heyhey. thats an easy A speech.

AlbinoLime 03-11-2004 11:36 PM

i just read the 8 page discussion on abortion. Chardish seems to me to be a misinformed person. Sites that are not for abortion will make up things and call them facts, just so they will get more people to follow.

BluE_MeaniE 03-12-2004 08:36 PM

Oh! Really??
Wow....that changes things for me.

Laharl 03-12-2004 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlbinoLime
i just read the 8 page discussion on abortion. Chardish seems to me to be a misinformed person. Sites that are not for abortion will make up things and call them facts, just so they will get more people to follow.

So OBVIOSULY everything that the pro-"choice" side says is 100% truthful?

makaveli121212 03-12-2004 10:20 PM

yeah this albino guy is retarded...hes gonna come in here and post his biased crap and denounceing 'prestigous' members of the forums without even backing his own statements...how about i give you 10 anti-abortion sites and you find things made up on each one, and then prove they are made up

BluE_MeaniE 03-12-2004 11:43 PM

Okay, I'm back to where I was a few posts ago.

ultimategamer 03-13-2004 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laharl
You learn in debate classes and in English argumentation essays that you never include the other side of the argument. That's just stupid. Let those that feel that way argue that point, but if you want to make a statement, you have to force your own side and not even really care that there is another side.

i would have to disagree with you there. i got outta a speech class last semester in college and one of the major points that was taught was to include points that would be used against your argument, and then prove them wrong. this way members of your audience who initially disagreed with you have nothing to fall back on while your giving your speech added credibility.

In terms of this whole topic, i believe in the current standard of abortion in some areas, where its legal until the end of the first trimester, is alright. you need to set the line somewhere, and i think that that time is as good as any.

AlbinoLime 03-14-2004 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makaveli121212
yeah this albino guy is retarded...hes gonna come in here and post his biased crap and denounceing 'prestigous' members of the forums without even backing his own statements...how about i give you 10 anti-abortion sites and you find things made up on each one, and then prove they are made up

You're not a very nice person.....
What statements do I have to back up? Not everything people say is true, even the anti-abortion peoples. The reason they do it is to get more people on thier side. Just write down all the statistics you see, and some just don't add up.

makaveli121212 03-14-2004 09:47 PM

show me...thats all i ask...you said something along the lines of 'every antiablrtion website puts out false information'...you find a website with false information and then you prove to me that its indeed wrong...and make it a decent website too, not something put together by a teenager...

Laharl 03-15-2004 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimategamer
i would have to disagree with you there. i got outta a speech class last semester in college and one of the major points that was taught was to include points that would be used against your argument, and then prove them wrong. this way members of your audience who initially disagreed with you have nothing to fall back on while your giving your speech added credibility.

That's a little different. What I mean is that you don't go tell people the other side of the argument when they have a point you can't battle down.
Nevermind. We can argue about the semantics of arguing in another thread.

Anonymous 03-15-2004 08:56 PM

Hm. What clarifies what exactly life is in a fetus? Is it not Alive because it seems to lack many well formed limbs? There are those people are born without limbs, but are still considered alive. Is it not alive because it doesn't speak? Well, neither do deaf mutes. It is not alive because it cannot reason properly? Neither can Austistics, but we dont write them off, do we. True, that it is a womans body. But at the same time, I dont believe the baby just magically fell into her lap. She obviously had done something before hand to concieve it, if you know what I mean. So basically, are we trying to give irresponsible people a way out of the consequence of their actions? Have some discipline people.

And moreover, many say, O, Fetuses are just like, things. A bunch of cells, nothing more.
Partial Birth Abortion is the most commonly used technique for abortion. In it, the doctor basically smashes the fetus' head open, and pulls it out piece by peace. Strange thing is, as this is happening, the fetus is clearly seen actually CRINGING in pain, in response the harm inflicted on it.

Last point.
Women who have had abortions have had several hormone related problems after their abortions, some of which involve certain cancers, less of a chance to concieve again, etc.

Basically, I think I would only allow abortion in Rape, and thats a very major only. Preferably, I would think that since there are over 2 million couples waiting for babies to adopt, just have the baby, and give it up for adoption.
A Signature doesnt take that long.

Essentially, what your looking at is for irresponsible people trying to find a way out from the consequences of their actions. Would we let a crook get out of serving jail time for some trivial reason? I dont think. As it was previously said, take some damned responsibility for your actions, and stop trying to find a way out of their consequences.

COBOL 03-15-2004 09:03 PM

MURDER IS WRONG AND DESTROYING SOMETHING BEFORE IT EVEN HAS A CHANCE TO LIVE IS ALSO WRONG.


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