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Get the troops out of the Middle East!
I just very recently watched The Kingdom and I felt that it raised some very interesting points. The States have been involved in the Middle East for a very long time. While the States may feel that because it is the most powerful country in the world it has the right to get involved in the affairs of other nations, these other nations may have extremists who do not want the infidels infiltrating their lands. I do admit that the States have done some good things in the Middle East, but terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda will never rest as long as the States remain involved in the Middle East. I strongly feel that the terrorists do have the resources to eventually launch another terrorist attack on American soil if the troops (as well as all other Americans) do not get out ASAP. As much as it pains me to say this, we must leave the Middle East to its own devices. The States cannot shape the world the way they want it to be, as has been proven in both Vietnam and Korea. Therefore, we must let the Middle East settle its own affairs (although it will likely involve much bloodshed). Something will eventually arise from the chaos in the Middle East and take control, but the States are preventing that from happening. And the States/other nations should get out because the events in the Middle East do not threaten them directly. However, our presence in the Middle East directs a threat at us as demonstrated by the events of 9/11 which in the view of Al-Qaeda technically was not an unprovoked attack.
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My dads out in Iraq.
He says that the troops should not pull out. Why don't you ask the troops? Fools, Sure, the army would probably say it, but my dad has asked the opinions of the marines and corpsmen that he works with and they say that they want to fight for their country and help the middle east. Yeah, lets leave, but remember this, because if we do pull out, that little government that we are trying to reestablish in the middle east is going to fall apart in the next month. DO NOT TAKE IT FROM GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THAT DO NOT CONTROL THE MILITARY, TAKE IT FROM THE PRESIDENT AND THE TROOPS THEMSELVES. And this message wasn't completely meant towards you, if it seemed like I was flaming, I wasn't, I'm simply expressing my freedom of speech and showing my opinion on whether we should pull out or not. [ AND for future reference, this war is nothing about oil, it's simply a benefit we can gain if we help ] |
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The way Bush is handling the war, we might as well get out.
He's pissing around untill get gets out of office, then another predsident will take them out |
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nope, its about oil, bush's oil business is drying up and so is his daddy's, thats why he went in
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We should have never started the war to begin with.
Now that were there, the best thing to do is to finish what we started as to not make all our efforts in vain. edit: you guys do know this is a war against Islamo-Fascism right? oil is just a "benefit" that "just so happens to be in the area" |
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The war in Iraq was pretty much a lose-lose situation as soon as it became apparent that it would be nearly impossible to establish a stable democratic government there capable of running and defending its own country.
If we pull out, the government falls apart, civil war erupts, other countries come in and everyone loses. If we stay, we'll be in there for decades fighting off insurgents and enemies that are replaced as soon as they're killed, wasting hundreds of billions of dollars and pushing us deeper into debt. And then, thirty years from now when the government actually begins to work, we'll pull out and begin to suffer the consequences of thirty years of occupation. If WWIII hasn't erupted by then, that is. |
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Thats why I'm not a general. Suppose i did know then i guess that we would need to incapacitate major threats to the US while not starting new fights within the middle east (Iran for instance) You can't wage war on an idea and expect to win, much less eradicate the idea, or all of it's followers. Quote:
but thats why i said benefit, not cause. and i definitely didn't say anything about Bush's ties to oil companies. |
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Just because being not a member of say, the United States Intelligence Services, we lack the complete facts of the situation, doesn't mean that those of us with an interest in foreign affairs can't take advantage of the Freedom of Information Act to have a reasonably educated opinion on the situation. While I don't believe anybody here can claim to be an authority, I still feel confident in rejecting your claim that "We all know nothing" |
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Whoever said we're there only for oil needs to actually read an article or two of ANYTHING about the war.
It's ignorant to say that our troops are there for one specific reason. Sure oil is one of them, and as hayatewillown said, if we pull out now, they're current gov't in progress will succumb to either a civil war or invasion from surrounding countries. We are there for a good cause, believe it or not, but I won't say that we aren't there for bad reasons too. It's almost certainly true that we are staying in there in such a manner in order to gain some form of monopoly over their oil supply, but it's wrong to assume that's the only reason we're there. On another note, there was, as it has been said on various occasions, some relation between Bush's family and a cousin, or close relative of Osama Bin Laden, which may or may not account for the fact that the chase for him ended. Anyways, America's troops are there for likely both good and bad reasons. As for how the troops feel, let them speak for themselves. From news coverage, it seems as though they feel they are doing the right thing (yes, I understand that the news may be corrupted, but the fact still remains that some feel they should be there). Whether or not American troops should be there could be asked in a question similar to, "Would we rather lose 100 American soldiers, or 1000 innocent civilians from the Middle East?" Being innately selfish, many might say that it is none of our business what goes on over there, and that we might as well stay here, but that's perfect for those people, seeing as they aren't the ones who are over there fighting for other's freedom. Those who believe that 1000 innocent civilians are more important than their life are the people who are over there right now fighting for what they believe. I personally think that, considering how sticky this whole issue is, that our dumb-nut president has been doing an alright job. I don't support him on much anything else, nor would I have made the same decisions about the war, but no decision in this case is an easy one. Really, only time will tell whether or not our soldiers are there for a good reason. |
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hey guys
bush is awesome |
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Okay, so let's say Iraq and 9/11 are related somehow (they aren't, but humor me).
2974 civilians died as a result of the 9/11 attacks. An estimated 75,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of our War in Iraq (not to mention Afghanistan....you know, where al-Qaeda is...the one's who orchestrated the attack?) But who cares, right? They're only Iraqis. I mean, anything to preserve our Western materialistic consumer-whore way of life. I don't care how many Muslims die as long as I get to drive my Hummer with the heater blasting and the windows down in the dead of winter through the quiet suburbs of whitebread america to the nearest drive-thru Starbucks to get a motherf*cking latté. Who's with me? Go America! Go Capitalism! Profit by any means necessary. Crush the weak. Economic and civil Darwinism at its finest. |
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