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I like it 08-1-2007 03:53 PM

Are We All Related
 
Because every single human came from parents.So the first two humans two have kids,had kids then it keeps going and going and going up too now so did we all come from the same Greatx45678 grandma and grandpa?
What do you think of this?

customstuff 08-1-2007 03:57 PM

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Technically we are, but they only count up to 4ths I think.

devonin 08-1-2007 04:05 PM

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One assumes that the "first two humans" idea only really works if you believe in biblical accounts, and even those don't imply that "Adam and Eve" were the -ONLY- original humans, just the very first ones. With Cain and Abel, when Cain is cast out, he goes and lives among other people who already existed.

I'd think it most logical that a number of beings all became the species we identify as being humans together at around the same time, and everyone could be descended from them, but I don't believe one single pair exists far enough back from which came all of humanity.

solopro 08-1-2007 04:27 PM

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That would be creepy, but a nice theory.

Relambrien 08-1-2007 07:31 PM

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In my science class, I learned that all living things are related in some way. The only explanation the teacher gave had something to do with DNA and how everything developed from common ancestors and such.

Biology is definitely not my forte.

Doug31 08-1-2007 07:34 PM

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With how many generations we've gone through, I'd think people would start making pretty large groups of who were related, even if these groups are invisible to us. They would keep getting bigger and combining until they were all one. Even if we started with 100 people, I'd think they'd almost be guaranteed to have all been mixed together somewhere along the road by now, so I think we're all related.

devonin 08-1-2007 09:20 PM

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related != interrelated

Kilroy_x 08-2-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Relambrien (Post 1701939)
The only explanation the teacher gave had something to do with DNA and how everything developed from common ancestors and such.

There are biological markers which enable us to determine when certain taxonomic branchings occurred. There aren't direct relationships between, say, amphibians and mammals, but both can be traced back to a previous variety of creature, in this case I believe marine creatures. At any rate, such backwards tracing is done until we get to very primitive creatures, at which point we would supposedly find a common ancestor, most probably a single-celled organism which didn't even have the complexities of cellular respiration and mitochondria and so had to rely on very primitive methods of getting energy, perhaps fermentation.

lord_carbo 08-2-2007 03:57 PM

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Everybody in this thread shut up and go read The Ancestor's Tale by Richard Dawkins if you haven't already.

plasmix 08-2-2007 04:18 PM

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Sure, we are all carbon-based.

Actually the real point of this post is, Carbo go listen to some good Squarepusher.

lord_carbo 08-3-2007 02:57 AM

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"Good" Squarepusher? I assume my last.fm feed was chock-full of Squarepusher at the time you read my post. Are you implying that Hello Everything is not a good album? Surely while not his best, it's still great.

jewpinthethird 08-3-2007 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy_x (Post 1703958)
There are biological markers which enable us to determine when certain taxonomic branchings occurred. There aren't direct relationships between, say, amphibians and mammals, but both can be traced back to a previous variety of creature, in this case I believe marine creatures. At any rate, such backwards tracing is done until we get to very primitive creatures, at which point we would supposedly find a common ancestor, most probably a single-celled organism which didn't even have the complexities of cellular respiration and mitochondria and so had to rely on very primitive methods of getting energy, perhaps fermentation.

Abiogenesis.

F*ck your God. Gaia hypothesis ftw.

masterhickle 08-8-2007 10:09 AM

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My logic may be flawed on this topic, but here's my point of view.

From the Bible standpoint, we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, so we all must be related in some way.

From the Evolutionist standpoint, one single cell started all the life on earth by first multiplying itself, so we must be related in some way.

Though, as someone else said, the relationships are too distant to even be considered.

Salvaged_C4 08-8-2007 12:24 PM

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I heard a rumor that if people with too similiar DNA were to reproduce, the offspring would be incomplete/retarded. If thats the Case after Adam and Eve's generation wouldve been the only one legit. Religious theory isnt too logical...

devonin 08-8-2007 01:36 PM

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Don't confuse the idea that Adam and Eve were the -first- humans with the idea that all humans necessarily descended from Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. When Cain was cast out, the implication is quite strong that there were plenty of other humans already alive out in the world that weren't direct descendants of Adam and Eve:

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God curses Cain to wander the earth. Cain is overwhelmed by this and appeals in fear of being killed by other men, and so God places a mark on Cain so that he would not be killed, stating that "whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be upon him sevenfold". Cain then departs, "to the land wandering". Early translations instead stated that he departed "to the Land of Nod", which is generally considered a mistranslation of the Hebrew word Nod, meaning wandering. Despite being cursed to wander, Cain is later mentioned as fathering a lineage of children, and founding a city, which he named Enoch after the name of his son.
If he was worried about other men killing him, and found a wife to father children with, clearly humans existed outside the Garden.

Flyleef 08-8-2007 01:54 PM

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Hey.... brother. :)

super kid 08-8-2007 02:03 PM

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In biblical views we all are, but are ancestors were sepperated when they tried to reach God by the Tower of Babylon.

TheMagiKMan 08-8-2007 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by super kid (Post 1715985)
In biblical views we all are, but are ancestors were sepperated when they tried to reach God by the Tower of Babylon.

It was the tower of babel

FishFishRevolution 08-8-2007 03:48 PM

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I made out with my 3rd cousin once.

Actually i was more than once.

Yeah like 100 times. So the idea doesn't weird me out at all.

jewpinthethird 08-8-2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by devonin (Post 1715930)
If he was worried about other men killing him, and found a wife to father children with, clearly humans existed outside the Garden.

But where did these humans come from? There is not mention of God creating other humans in Genesis, only Adam and later Eve. I mean, I could be completely wrong, but my knowledge of the Biblical history is that Adam's lineage leads to Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, and with Jesus.

So far, the only explanations I've heard are that Adam and Eve had many more sons and daughters that the Bible doesn't mention (how convenient) or that God created other populations of humans that the Bible doesn't mention (again, how convenient).

Or it could be that Genesis was an figurative oral retelling of how the Hebrews came to be that had been past down from generation to generation. You know, the story about a small monotheistic tribe of nomadic desert dwellers managed to populate itself through interbreeding. Don't get me wrong, but these people thought the world was flat and that stars were holes in the heavens, I wouldn't take their word on how it is the Earth, the Universe and everything came to be.


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