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Cats_Go_Meow 08-21-2007 01:03 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Well, ok. I saw this thread, saw first few posts and I noticied some things. Please forgive me if someone has already said this.


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Originally Posted by Atman (Post 1644919)
Haha right, but if the government were to legalize it, tax it. There'd be a huge rise on income for the government...

If people already grow, use, and sell this in secrecy, how would the government be able to collect tax? Why would someone go to a store selling weed for XX amount of dollars when they can grow / buy their own for a lot less than store price?


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Originally Posted by Atman (Post 1644919)
On another note, I also remember reading in a smoke enthusiast store that 1 acre of marijuana = to roughly what, 4 or 5 acres of trees? as far as nutrients, and oxygen productivity. Thank you for the input on how I should be more clear with my thinking.

Ok..Well first, there are many different trees that give off many different oxygen rates.

Second, where the heck are you getting your facts? Post a link to the article please?

Third, when you are saying Nutrients, what do you mean? Nutrients for what? I'm sorry if I'm missing something here, but please fill me in.


~Cats

Chrissi 08-21-2007 01:17 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cats_Go_Meow (Post 1739968)
Why would someone go to a store selling weed for XX amount of dollars when they can grow / buy their own for a lot less than store price?

I did discuss this earlier.

First off, people are lazy and will enjoy being able to buy rather than grow.

Secondly, when you buy from the government, you are guaranteed safe product. It's not laced with anything. Whereas pot from the street can easily be laced with PCP and sold as "super pot". PCP can be dangerous.

jewpinthethird 08-21-2007 01:20 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Growing marijuana is a felony. Possessing marijuana is a misdemeanor.

lord_carbo 08-21-2007 02:09 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolgamer (Post 1739524)
I disagree. Even in Amsterdam, the amount of cannabis one can buy is strictly controlled. This is how it should be in America.

What? Why? There's absolutely no logic behind this as it continues to violate the moral issue of arresting people who are doing no harm.

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Originally Posted by Cats_Go_Meow (Post 1739968)
If people already grow, use, and sell this in secrecy, how would the government be able to collect tax? Why would someone go to a store selling weed for XX amount of dollars when they can grow / buy their own for a lot less than store price?

"Sell" in secrecy... when marijuana is completely decriminalized, it can become a mainstream market item, like corn or tomatoes, but as a drug like tobacco. For the record, in the current market, a unit of pot that takes $1 to produce sells for over $5! And that's with marijuana being grown and imported "in secrecy"! In a free market, profits like this for a product like pot would be quickly taken up, most likely by a large firm which can produce quality marijuana for cheap.

Not everyone can grow pot and not everyone can grow good pot. And not everyone wants to buy from the streets, especially people just getting into marijuana. And not all pot is grown in the USA... most likely, a lot of it is imported.

That's not to say marijuana should be taxed excessively at all, but it makes a great incentive for government to do the right thing.

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Originally Posted by Cats_Go_Meow (Post 1739968)
Third, when you are saying Nutrients, what do you mean? Nutrients for what? I'm sorry if I'm missing something here, but please fill me in.

Hemp, at least, requires less fertilization than most things, and photosynthesizes better than pretty much every plant out there. I think that's what he's referring to.

http://www.google.com/search?q=hemp+...otosynthesizer
http://www.google.com/search?q=fertilizer+for+hemp

Coolgamer 08-21-2007 07:42 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_carbo (Post 1740095)
What? Why? There's absolutely no logic behind this as it continues to violate the moral issue of arresting people who are doing no harm.

No, it doesn't. Think of it as getting a prescription for a drug, of having a drinks-served limit at a bar. You CAN grow at home if you wish, but in public venues, the amount allowed for purchase is controlled.

lord_carbo 08-21-2007 02:51 PM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolgamer (Post 1740239)
No, it doesn't. Think of it as getting a prescription for a drug, of having a drinks-served limit at a bar. You CAN grow at home if you wish, but in public venues, the amount allowed for purchase is controlled.

Hold up, what's your justification for having marijuana legalized or decriminalized, first of all?

Coolgamer 08-21-2007 05:54 PM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lord_carbo (Post 1740745)
Hold up, what's your justification for having marijuana legalized or decriminalized, first of all?

See my previous posts.

lord_carbo 08-22-2007 12:52 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
That it poses no health or safety risks?

I fail to see how possessing more marijuana at a time is less safe than possessing a smaller amount and that it justifies an arrest. Additionally, quantity of a possession does not equate to quantity of how much one is going to individually smoke at one time.

SkySpy 11-12-2012 05:53 PM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
guys guys guys! It happened

AdenL 11-12-2012 07:18 PM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Quick question, what's the difference between legal and Decriminalized pot?

Another incite, there are already "tax stamps," for the sale of marijuana and the transportation though, they're impossible to get. Why can't we actually enforce this, let states regulate how much possession is too much possession. Then once you've made your purchase print out a stamp (much like they do for hunting/fishing license) that is only valid for x numbered bag and of course tax it much like alcohol.

Make it's public use illegal! It would eventually become illegal for public use to go along with many general smoking bans that're happening all over anyways. Growing and smoking while on your property either in the house or in the backyard could remain legal.

I am actually all for persecuting people are under the influence while driving, it may make you focus more, and I do know this because I have driven blazed before, but your reactions are much slower. Take this into consideration, if you play video games how well do you play high? Say FFR here, I'm sure your PA is badass while stoned. I also bet that you have a lot of combo breakers in the mix.


I have a massive headache right now, sorry for clarity not being so clear.

Hateandhatred 11-14-2012 07:57 AM

Re: Drugs and the Government
 
Just a new point that doesn't seem to have been mentionned.

The fact that it's illegal means that customers/dealers need to deal personnally with other dealers, street gangs, the mafia, etc. That's a good load of risk. Not always a friendly deal in one's basement.

Not gonna debate in this topic too much since I'm really not someone well informed on the topic but just wanted to say that drugs are much more of a social issue when illegal than when legal.

MarioNintendo 11-14-2012 08:31 AM

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