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Mother of god?
i was playing mother of god and i got thinking. for the people that think jesus is god, how can there be a mother of god? discuss
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if jesus is god. then virgin mary is the mother of god.
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dude i tried one of these god issues last night, look at the thread "what IF god was one of us?"... they get a bit touchy on this subject, obviously they assume were trying to start controversy instead of GENUINELY trying to have an intelligent conversation... some ppl can just be petty... supremely petty... i can just guess that this thread will be closed in a lil while, with some degrading comment from a mod telling you that this isnt suitable material for a post... but u know what, at least we tried...
but to the question, before this is closed, im not exactly sure about it... im an athiest... i dont believe in any god or higher power... but it does get you to thinking about the validity and history of it all... if god is the supreme being, the first... the creator of all life and the cosmos, etc... how could there be a mother of god... certainly she would reign even more supreme right??? so in fact SHE would be god... its a good question flash... whats your point on it??? |
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I think most theists would say god has been and always will be so there is no need for a 'mother.' A mother in this case is the equivalent to a creator...
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Here's my take on it, some religions believe that there is infact a heavenly mother with a heavenly father (God) and that she is just not discussed because it would only allow us to use her name in vain like society does so often with God's name. Also, i dont know what to believe on the matter, but it could be possible for God to have parents if you believe in the Mormon plan of salvation and an infinite past. So in my opinion, yes, there could be a mother of God but it is a touchy subject because everyones belief on the matter comes from their own assumptions and connections since there is no book that i know that speaks of it (nothing like the bible or the book of mormon is what i meant).
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hmmm... interesting take on the mormon POV... and i do believe to this day people do take both god and the MOG name in vain... ive heard a couple times the phrase "oh heavenly mother of god........." and such... but in fact, if what i said before might be true, and the MOG is the ultimate, she would in fact be god and jesus would in fact BE the god that has been revered... i dunno if that makes any sense to the rest of you, but in my mind it kinda does... idk... this is a thinker lol... props flash!!!
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I was raised a Catholic, and do still believe in a sort of high power, but cannot justifiably claim to be a Catholic. Still, I'll do my best to explain my take on this.
As I was taught it, Jesus is a part of the Trinity -- that is, God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit (I'm not sure if this can be 'God the Holy Spirit.' I've never heard it as such.). Catholicism simply labels these into God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Supposedly three sections of the same being, each with different purposes. From what I can figure (Prayers, Biblical teachings, etc.), the Father -- God -- is the creator, residing in Heaven and supposedly answering all our prayers in some way or other. The Holy Spirit is on earth at this moment, and will only return to Heaven at the end of time. Christ, the Son, is still God. Catholicism teaches that he was also human. 100% God, and 100% human. Strange, illogical, but that's the way the teaching is, so we'll assume that to be true for the purposes here. Obviously, if Christ is going to be walking around on earth, he would need a physical body, yes? Therefore, when we apply the term "Mother of God" to Mary, we mean that Mary gave birth to Christ's physical being. The spirit of Christ had already existed, as a part of God -- that part was not "born." Make sense, kind of? Also, on the terms of an actual "mother of God" (That is, one God, one ultimate deity, born by another being) there are a number of philosophical arguments regarding God. One of the most common concerns the necessity of a "first mover." It argues that the universe operates on consistent causes and effects, sort of like dominoes. However, if we look back to this first mover -- God -- who started God? The first mover must have had someone move him, right? Most arguments for the existence of God hit a roadblock when it comes to the "beginning of time." It's simply because we cannot comprehend what we do not experience -- No human has ever experienced anything outside of existence. If we knew what things were like before the "beginning," we might have a clearer view or some idea on which to define our "first mover." I know this post went off on a lot of tangents, but I tried to encompass everything within the original post, given that it did leave open a lot of loose ends. |
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Neonatrias,
Nice, breaking out St. Thomas Aquinas on the people, lol. The Five proofs are interesting to say the least. They argue that everything has rhyme and reason and did have a begining, atleast our physical universe. Nothing moves without a mover, nothing creates itself without a creator, contingent beings and necessary being must coexist for survival, the degrees of perfection, and lastly, the laws of nature, physics, everything work on such a complex level, there had to be an intelligent designer. |
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And here I thought this was a thread about the song 'Mother of God'.
Good song. |
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Does anyone think Jesus is God?
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Easter, quit being a baby and keep your crying out of here.
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Neon got most of what needed to be said. Jesus is God, Mary was chosen by God to give birth to Jesus, and then did. As such, Mary is the virgin mother of God. Now, if you are talking about the mother of the triune God, well, that just falls into the realm of complete speculation, kind of like, "If red weren't red, what color would it be?" That's not really a topic for discussion... --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God, not that he is God himself.
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god needs a mother, and gods mothers mother needs a mother and so on lol
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Yeah, a regular human John Doe was born of a virgin and performed many miracles such as curing blindness and leprosy, creating food, and raising people from the dead. Totally not God. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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Jesus=God=Satan
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hmm... God's mom must not be that grand, for she didn't do much but birth a good son :)
Einstein's mom Moses's mom Hitler's mom Shakespeare's mom ;) Mother's arent an important part of history, just the fart that meets the match to create relevant entertainment. |
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I will say this, in the Mormon view of things Christ is not God. It was said that in premortality, Christ was chosen to come to Earth and atone for our sins as well as establishing the true church. Lucifer was also up for nomination so to say for the position of being the savior but in his viewpoint he wanted to come down and have glory unto himself and MAKE everyone righteous so to speak. Christ however expressed that he would give all glory unto God almighty and would atone for the sins of the world so that we may repent and live with God and Christ again. This supports the idea of Monotheism in that Christ was chosen to come down and be the literal physical son of God and with powers bestowed unto him through God by means of blessings he was able to help heal the people on Earth with such powers. Now these powers (although not as potent) can also be referred to as the priesthood as in the Mormon church. All miracles are then essentially described as coming directly from God through a medium (Christ) to the physical world. Thus showing that Christ himself is indeed not God. However, it is also believed that after leading a righteous life and doing all that God asks you will reach the highest stage of the celestial kingdom as described in the Mormon Plan of Salvation in which place you and your eternal spouse will become as God's, being able to create planets and stars such as God can. If you think of it like this then you can see that perhaps the God we know of is such a being that has reached the highest degree of glory in which he can create life and planets. Such thinking would lead someone to conclude that God has a spouse. You could then ASSUME as it has not been stated anywhere that God could have been a child of his Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. However, this is a shaky matter because no where does it say that God was not created from another being (no where that i know of that is) and there is every reason to believe that is the first and the last. Concluding that God has a mother then is purely an individual assumption and personal belief.
Many of the things i have discussed have come from me and not necessarily the church itself. Do not think to quote me and assume that what i said is what all mormons believe for i used my own knowledge and did not quote directly any piece of doctrine. As for my opinion, i do not believe that God has a mother but i do not hold that to be a fact and i leave the possibility open in my mind. |
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Informative post, slip, but you gotta split it up into paragraphs next time.
Stuff like this got me thinking a few times. I've always heard that "in the beginning there was God", but then Jesus is God, who was born of the virgin Mary. If God was the one who created the Earth, surely he doesn't have any descendents? I suppose I'm with Guido on this one. |
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It's been mentioned a couple of times, but if God had a mother then that would strain the whole idea of cause and effect. It's kind of nice to just be able to say, "God was the first cause in the Universe." We can almost comprehend that concept. But then to say that there have been multiple generations of "gods," where did that family start? And if God has a family of separate entities, then how could he be all-powerful in the first place? He couldn't be.
Mary... well, I don't consider her to be Heavenly Queen, even though Catholics do. Now, I guess since she gave birth to Jesus some could call her "Mother of God," but she obviously wasn't around before God, so I don't think that counts in the context of our discussion. |
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Hmm.
The original god was born from the birth of the universe. There was no mother. According to Christian beliefs, Jesus is the son of God and a human, Mary. Which only makes him half-God. But Christians believe Jesus to also be God, so that makes Mary the Moyther of God. |
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Uh... I didn't know Jesus was god?
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Jesus was fully God and fully man, according to Christian beliefs. Unless, you're looking at the Mormon view. According to Mormons, God the father has a physical body. In that case it would make more sense to have like, "God" blood and human blood. I'd prefer not to think like that, though. |
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"As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become."
So according to my thoughts, God was once mortal but is now a perfected being. I have always been taught that Jesus was the literal Son of God, now im not exactly sure how to explain it in the best context but i would like to think that Mary was chosen to bear the seed of God. I will be a little sketchy on the details because i cant remember exactly what was said right now but this came to make me believe that Christ gained his mortality through being born through Mary and in such a case he would gain the weaknesses and other such limitations of the mortal man. Also, i dont want to think that the miracles were performed because he had "special powers" or anything, i would rather think it to be that he received the ability to perform such miracles only through asking God to give him the strength to carry out such a task. The only reason i am a little skeptic on the idea of Christ not having at least some of the powers of God is because it has also been said that the only way Christ could bear all the pain on the cross and in the garden of Gesemity (major spell check needed for that word =\) because he could not die by the mortal man and only after his task was completed on the cross did he almost literally choose to die. I happen to personally think that this would come from the idea that if you die before your time (or before your work on this earth has been done) then God will allow you to return and live on. So I personally just think that it would mean that if the mortal man tried to kill Christ before he suffered for the sins of the world to be later resurrected, then God would simply let him live on like it didnt happen. In this case it would show that he indeed had the limitations of a mortal man but with the power of God to help him complete his tasks on earth before returning. So, expanding on the God being once mortal idea, according to the plan of salvation it shows that in order to reach the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom (where you become like God and thus are bestowed the powers to create planets and life) you must have an eternal spouse that you were married and sealed to in the temple. From this i concluded that if God is indeed a perfected being once mortal having to meet the same standards who attained this position then he must have a spouse. If you think about God as having a spouse then you could conclude that God had a heavenly Father and heavenly Mother while he was living his mortal life thus showing a Mother of God. Also, in response to Reachforthelight's question on where the beginning of the predecessors of God is i would just simply have to say that they would have to think the same for the beginning of time. Simply enough, we do not have an answer, it cannot be proved through logic to either side and we cannot comprehend it so why waste precious time on this earth worrying and wondering about it? |
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Though I knew the first four letters, I'm still impressed that I spelled "Gethsemane" correctly on my first try...
--Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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If God created the universe, then who created God? A logical conclusion is that God has ALWAYS existed, and that there has never been any need for his creation, because the universal phenomenon of time does not apply to him. From these assumptions, you could conclude that there is not a mother of God. Someone will probably flame this post, though, because of the whole "no scientific proof means not possible ever in 1000000000000000000000000000000 years" thing.
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Back to an earlier post, Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and also that He was God. Its explained in the Trinity which most Christians believe in.
Also the "Mother of God" is nobody if you're referring to God as a being, but if you're speaking in the sense of who gave physical birth to God's physical form then it would be Mary. Pretty much go read Neon's post, it is all pretty much there. |
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Do you pretty much think so? ... =\
I think its interesting how some people think that the universe is the end all to be all. You know, there are some thoughts that there was something before the creation of the universe especially if you hold the Big Bang to be completely true. Besides, calling him God does not mean that he is THE ultimate being letting ABSOLUTELY no one have the ability to become anywhere close in comparison to him, even if he could somehow let you have the same powers. We call him God because we only know of one capable of such feats, remember that thinking that there is only one universe and that God will never be matched doesnt make anything true. I could say that humans are the most complex life forms because i cant imagine anything greater but that doesnt hold water at all. Many people think of God as having had always existed but guess what, it is also proposed that we too have also always existed as spirits without ever having had a physical body. Also, the concept of the holy trinity is not accepted by all christians. |
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ok. if jesus was god, then how come he didnt just "pop" himself into a physical form rather than being born, wasting 10 years growing up, learning, and getting a job. jesus shouldv just "pop" himself on earth in a physical form if he was truly god. if noone can give me a logical explanation, hell, any explanation, ill assume everyone agrees with me.
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Dude, this is kinda like the Chicken or the egg thing...
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lol.. obviously that riddles answer is,
for "evolution believers": a animal evolved while living already to a point were its called a chicken. for religious people: god "popped" the animal. man i keep saying "pop" "pop""pop""pop""pop""pop""pop""pop""pop" |
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"pop"corn, "pop"rox, "pop"...lol
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Im not christian but this is what I have learned, Jesus is the son, or human embodiment of god, his "mother" would be mary, as in the mother of the human embodiment, there is no mother of god persay, except in the human form but the concept of god is just god, nothing more, nothing less, no father or mother.
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it is a symbol, look beyond logic and look into everything as a whole, logic will get you nowhere in terms of religion and things science cannot explain, the human mind can only understand but so much, sometimes you have to admit you dont and cant know and understand everything.
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it is a symbol because the religion is trying to associate god with us " lesser beings", personally i think religion is just a way to control the masses but i do beleive in a god or greater being.
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Ant, learn to use the edit button or you won't be on these forums long.
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It says in the Bible that Mary was the mother of Christ. But seeing how God gave him to Mary woudn't that make God Christ's mother and father?
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god was never born, he is a spirit...
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